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Re: [802.3_B400G_ELEC] [802.3dj] 20 June electrical ad hoc - response to request for more details



The method of introducing Skew in my case involves:
Based on measurements identify basic profiles in Freq domain that are combined to represent measured s-parameters then add that combined profile to the end-to-end freq domain s-parameters

Cables , pcb, packages and even silicon analog paths etc. may have their own profiles towards combined profile.

i.e., in Rich’s equation is varying over and this is introduced in s-param block in each direction and not per port.

at present measurements show lot more skew than what we can afford for 224G , limiting to channel sub-components can achieve in terms of skew.

For example, Cable vendors may guide us for 224G application what we can use as a limit over all freq range of interest– say 1 ps/m or whatever.

 

-Upen

 

From: Richard Mellitz <000014533bad0b9c-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2024 10:53 AM
To: STDS-802-3-B400G-ELEC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_B400G_ELEC] [802.3dj] 20 June electrical ad hoc - response to request for more details

 

FYI: This is what how delay was added to a channel in the COM code.

 

 

Richard Mellitz, Signal Integrity (SI) Engineer

Samtec Southeast

Office: 803-908-4411

www.samtec.com

From: Upen Reddy Kareti (ureddy) <00000d999961d690-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2024 1:02 PM
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Subject: [802.3_B400G_ELEC] [802.3dj] 20 June electrical ad hoc - response to request for more details

 

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Hi All,

 

Two requests were made during my presentation today– here are my responses

1>  provide a link to my skew presentation – the following link is added to today’s presentation.

  • Identifying basic skew profiles in freq. domain slide 13 of kareti_3dj_02_2401.pdf – actual step by step procedure how to  add skew is not shared

 

2> Max tap values for under 40 dB insertion Loss – separate stats for the ones passing COM of 3 dB and the ones not passing of 3 dB.

 

  • note the following data is not as relevant once we start using COM code 4.6.3 as fixes are provided for tap location reporting issue.
  • Also, when we configure with TX FFE and g_DC >0 setups.

 

For a case with post cursors of 8 fixed 3 banks (of 4 taps in each bank ) RX FFE span up to 100 UI and Package class B for both Transmitter and Receiver:

 

Channels < 40 dB and passing 3dB COM.

 

 

 

Channels < 40 dB and failing 3dB COM.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

Upen

 

 


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