RE: [EFM] AW: HEADLINE: Oscar Wilde resolves EFM PON timing issues!!!
Bruce,
I like
our discourse, whatever it is becoming. By sending their messages, Geoff is
keeping me honest, Tom is keeping me busy, Glen is keeping me amused, and Frank
is keeping me well behaved. In the process, if I pick up a literary hint or two,
well, I find that refreshing in an otherwise techie existence of
mine.:-)
Vipul
=============
Geoff and
Thomas
....John Hersey
...Oscar Wilde
....Wendy
Kaminer
I must say that despite our passionate debates on optics and
copper or perhaps because of, our discourse is certainly becoming more
literate if not literary :))
//Bruce
At 02:04 PM
11/22/2002 -0800, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Vipul-
Be careful here. You are
confusing two
concepts.
1.
Consensus
2.
75% Approval
Consensus is a soft threshold that means by dictionary
means:
- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=consensus
- con·sen·sus
- 1. An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole:
"Among political women... there is a clear consensus about the problems
women candidates have traditionally faced" (Wendy Kaminer).
- 2. General agreement or accord: government by
consensus.
- http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=consensus
- Main Entry: con·sen·sus
- Pronunciation: k&n-'sen(t)-s&s
- Function: noun
- Usage: often attributive
- Etymology: Latin, from consentire
- Date: 1858
- 1 a : general agreement : UNANIMITY <the consensus of their
opinion, based on reports... from the border -- John Hersey> b : the
judgment arrived at by most of those concerned <the consensus was to
go ahead>
- 2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief
- usage The phrase consensus of opinion, which is not actually
redundant (see sense 1a; the sense that takes the phrase is slightly
older), has been so often claimed to be a redundancy that many writers
avoid it. You are safe in using consensus alone when it is clear you
mean consensus of opinion, and most writers in fact do so.
Achieving the required approval threshold and achieving
consensus are two entirely different things. If all you do is achieve your
vote threshold without achieving consensus you will have (1) an unhappy
balloting process (2) a standard that doesn't have broad buy-in. Just
getting a standard approved does not guarantee
success.
Geoff
At 09:59 AM 11/21/2002 -0800, Vipul Bhatt
wrote:
The voting count is documented in slides
16 and 17 of
bhatt_optics_1_1102.pdf at:
http://www.ieee802.org/3/efm/public/nov02/optics/
The
results speak for themselves. By definition, whenever we reach
75%
consensus on a decision, that will be the right decision. I
think our
best hope of getting there is to keep trading more
information about
various options. I appreciate Tom's initiative of
starting this thread,
and I am also looking forward to hearing
Frank's contribution in
Vancouver.
Vipul
ps: I took the liberty of pruning the email
list of this thread.
=================
Thomas Murphy
wrote:
>
> Frank,
>
> I agree with your assessment
that the people on the e-mail
> list have a "Option-A" view.
However, at the meeting the voting
> pointed differently. I am
trying to remain neutral on this issue
> but someone please back me
up on the way the voting
went.
>
<snip>
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