RE: [EFM] PON Optics Telephone Conference, December 5th [INAPPROPRIATE!]

[Geoff Thompson <gthompso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The following (censored) discussion of revenue numbers is not appropriate 
in the IEEE context.
The message should be removed from the reflector archive.

Geoff


At 07:34 PM 12/5/2002 -0800, Sanjeev Mahalawat wrote:

>At 02:51 PM 12/5/2002 -0800, Ariel Maislos wrote:
>
>
>>The only questions remaining for the service providers to answer is can
>>they make more money from the network with the extra 1.2% of bandwidth?
>
>SP should do the calculation. But it is tempting to see the money 
>difference, so just that.
>This 1.2% translates to about 11.616 Mbps, around 7.5 1.54Mbps DSL 
>connections.
>Assuming $xx per DSL it is around $xxx/PON/month. Assume one 32-port OLT 
>serving
>1024 customers (assuming 1:32 ratio) it would be $xxx/month.
>Does this SP lost revenue breaks their neck, they would know?
>
>Thanks,
>Sanjeev
>
>
>
>>Regards,
>>         Ariel
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-stds-802-3-efm@majordomo.ieee.org
>> > [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-efm@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Mccammon, Kent G.
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 17:45
>> > To: 'Thomas.Murphy@infineon.com'; stds-802-3-efm@ieee.org;
>> > Vipul_Bhatt@xxxxxxxx; wdiab@xxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [EFM] PON Optics Telephone Conference, December 5th
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom,
>> > Since I have a conflict with the call tomorrow and I am
>> > interested in this decision, here are some questions.
>> >
>> > 1)Do any of the options for PON timing impact the delivery of
>> > services such as toll quality voice, a T1, or multicast
>> > video? We had this concern previously and the answer
>> > previously was claimed to be only an efficiency hit for loose
>> > timing. Are the modeling assumptions to compare efficiency
>> > valid for TDM services or is that not a consideration in this
>> > debate to date? 2)The negotiation of timing parameters rather
>> > than a tight specification have any impact on future
>> > interoperability testing?  If we ever decide to test
>> > interoperability of EPON OLT and ONT, can a lab testing
>> > system be reasonably built to test compliance to a
>> > specification for OLT/ONT timing for the various options
>> > under debate?
>> > 3)Do operating temperature swings have an impact on timing
>> > options. Is their reason to add extra margin or extra
>> > negotiation time of timing parameters due to temperature
>> > variations? What about cold start in cold temperatures, that
>> > was an issue for power levels, does it also impact the
>> > electronics of the PMD?
>> >
>> > Comment: As an advocate of PON technologies I echo my earlier
>> > comments about striving for common PON PMD to get the volume
>> > started in today's economy.  I am optimistic a compromise can
>> > be found in January. Thanks, -Kent
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Thomas.Murphy@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Thomas.Murphy@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:12 AM
>> > > To: stds-802-3-efm@ieee.org; Vipul_Bhatt@ieee.org; wdiab@cisco.com
>> > > Subject: [EFM] PON Optics Telephone Conference, December 5th
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello Again,
>> > >
>> > > Attacted two possible approaches to this discussion forming
>> > > two decision trees. Glen and I worked on these I I did not
>> > > have a chance to co-ordinate with him and refine to one
>> > > slide.  The first slide is mine and I would like to start
>> > > here as it allows us to generate values without having to
>> > > make decisions. When the values are agreed upon, we can work
>> > > towards the decision and perhaps this is simpler with the
>> > > values we have.
>> > >
>> > > If this does not work, we can try the seconf slide, Glen's
>> > > approach, which is a more top-down attack.
>> > >
>> > > Talk to you tomorrow
>> > >
>> > > Tom
>> > >
>> > >  <<PON Timing Decision Tree.ppt>>
>> > >
>> > > Hello All,
>> > >
>> > > Items to Be Covered
>> > >
>> > > 1)  Determine the exact meaning of the terms "Fixed Value"
>> > > and 'Upper Bound" in terms
>> > >     of their use for PMD timing parameters.
>> > >
>> > > 2)  Try assign placeholder values for all of the options
>> > >
>> > > 3)  Are these values fixed or bounded for the different options.
>> > >
>> > > 4)  Other items
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Tom
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