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Re: [HSSG] Reach Objectives

Hi Petar, John,

Since the OM3 fiber we are discussing would primarily be parallel, is there merit in defining  an OM3 PMD versus specifying a parallel SMF based PMD? 

My assumption is that in both cases the data center in question would be pulling new fiber.  If my assumption is true, then we should not limit our consideration to OM3,but should also look at SMF.  For example SMF would allow for the extension to greater distances more simply.

There may indeed be merit in defining the data center PMD to be OM3 based, but my opinion is that we should not jump to conclusions.

thanks
--Matt Traverso
Opnext, Inc.
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Note - I sent this from a personal account to avoid an automated statement from my IT dept which contains phrases that would likely be considered "unfriendly" to the reflector.

On 8/22/06, Petar Pepeljugoski <petarp@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Brad,

I agree with you. And the breakpoints vary from solution to solution.

Let's consider the following two examples:

1. N ch. x 10 Gb/s over OM3 fiber at 50m, and at 100m, there is very little difference in the specs, so the cost will most likely not be affected.
2. M ch. x 17 Gb/s (or 20 gb/s) over OM3, there will be much larger difference between 50m and 100m and there might be cost premium.

This will depend on the expected yield distribution and how sensitive is to changes in the specs. So, we will need to carefully tread and not become prisoners to the reach objectives, but rather optimize the cost.

From our perspective, there are distances up to 150m, but the largest distances are not so common, so that is why I proposed the 100m.

Whatever is not covered by the 0-100m, should be covered by the next PMD (most likely SMF based). That will reduce the cost by giving it additional volume, while the short distance on the MMF will drive the cost by increasing the yield.

Regards,

Peter


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08/22/2006 01:56 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but why?  When 10G started, this was an important debate.  If they had stuck with the number of PMDs in 802.3z, then there would have only been two PMDs.  The study group needs to define the markets that it wants to satisfy, and only then when the study group becomes a task force can the group decide on the actual number of PMDs required.
 
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Brad

From: Drew Perkins [mailto:dperkins@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
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I have a simple proposal to save everyone a lot of time. Let's make the baseline plan to stick with exactly the same number of PMDs with exactly the same reaches as 10GbE. They have all been developed to fit someone's requirements. We should have a very high hurdle to eliminate any of these or add to them.
 
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From: Brad Booth [mailto:bbooth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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The 10km vs. 2km debate occurred in 802.3ae.  It was determined that the solution for 2km was virtually the same as that for 10km; therefore, the task force felt it would be better to select only one of those reaches and 10km was it.  If there is a desire for 2km and 10km reaches in HSSG, then in my humble opinion, those wishing to support will need to bring justification forward as to why the study group should consider possibly increasing the number of PHYs.
 
Cheers,
Brad
 


From: Frank Chang [mailto:ychang@xxxxxxxxxxx]
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John/Petar;
 
I agree datacenter for up to 100m. How about 10GigE LR disctance (10km) or campus 2km discussed earlier?
 
Frank
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John,

I believe that the Data Center distances should be 100m and 300m.

Petar Pepeljugoski
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All,
We have had some conversation on the reflector regarding reach objectives.  Summarizing what has been discussed on the reflector I see the following –
 
Reach Objectives
Long-Haul   --> 100+ km
Metro       --> 10+ km
Data Center --> 50m & 300m
 
Data Center Reach Segregation
Intra-rack
Inter-rack
Horizontal runs
Vertical risers
 
Use this data to identify a single low-cost solution that would address a couple of the reach objectives
 
Other Areas
During the course of the CFI there were individuals who wanted Backplane Applications kept in for consideration, but I have not heard any further input in this area.  Are there still individuals who wish to propose Backplane as an objective?
 
John