Chris,
But what percent of these shipments are
for the extreme lengths?
Gourgen
From: Chris Cole
[mailto:chris.cole@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:51
AM
To: Gourgen Oganessyan;
STDS-802-3-HSSG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [802.3BA] XR ad hoc
Phone Conference Notice
Hi Gourgen,
Some numbers might help clarify what close
to 0 means.
For 2008, Lightcounting gives a shipment
number of approximately 30,000 for 10GE-LRM (and for 10GE-LX4 it’s about
60,000.) So close to 0 would apply if we were rounding to the nearest 100K. As
an aside, 10GE-LRM supports 220m of MMF, not 300m.
300m of OM3 is supported by 10GE-SR, which
Lightcounting gives as approximately 400,000 in 2008, so that would be close to
0 if we rounding to the nearest 1M.
Another interesting sideline in looking at
these numbers is that 2 years after the 10GE-LRM standard was adopted in 2006,
despite the huge investment being made in 10GE-LRM development, and despite
very little new investment being made in 10GE-LX4, the 10GE CWDM equivalent
(i.e. 10GE-LX4, 4x3G) is chugging along at 2x the volume of the 10GE Serial
solution that was adopted to replace it.
This should put some dim on hopes that
very low cost 40GE Serial technology can be developed from scratch in two years
and ship in volume when the 40GE standard is adopted in 2010.
Chris
From: Gourgen
Oganessyan [mailto:gourgen@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008
8:02 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: [802.3BA] XR ad hoc
Phone Conference Notice
Petar,
Well, sadly that’s what has been
happening in the 10G world, people are forced to amortize the cost of 300m
reach (LRM), while in reality the number of people who need 300m is close to 0.
That’s why I am strongly in support
of your approach of keeping the 100m objective as primary goal.
Frank, OM4 can add as much cost as it
wants to, the beauty is the added cost goes directly where it’s needed,
which is the longer links. Alternatives force higher cost/higher power
consumption on all ports regardless of whether it’s needed there or not.
Gourgen Oganessyan
Quellan Inc.
Phone: (630)-802-0574 (cell)
Fax: (630)-364-5724
e-mail: gourgen@xxxxxxxxxxx
From: Petar
Pepeljugoski [mailto:petarp@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008
7:51 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: [802.3BA] XR ad hoc
Phone Conference Notice
Frank,
If I
interpret correctly, you are saying that all users should amortize the cost of
very few who need extended reach.
We
need to be careful how we proceed here - we should not repeat the mistakes of
the past if we want successful standard.
Regards,
Peter
Petar Pepeljugoski
IBM Research
P.O.Box 218
(mail)
1101 Kitchawan Road,
Rte. 134 (shipping)
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598
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phone: (914)-945-3761
fax: (914)-945-4134
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Hi Jeff;
Thanks for your comment. You missed one critical point that
there is cost increase from OM3 to OM4. If you take ribbon cable cost in
perspective, OM4 option is possibly the largest of the 4 options.
Besides, the use of OM4 requires to tighten TX specs which
impact TX yield, so you are actually compromising the primary goal.
Frank
From: Jeff Maki
[mailto:jmaki@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:02 PM
To: STDS-802-3-HSSG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3BA] XR ad hoc Phone Conference Notice
Dear
MMF XR Ad Hoc Committee Members,
I
believe our current objective of “at least 100 meters on OM3 MMF”
should remain as a primary goal, the baseline. Support for any form of
extended reach should be considered only if it does not compromise this primary
goal. A single PMD for all reach objectives is indeed a good starting premise;
however, it should not be paramount. In the following lists are factors,
enhancements, or approaches I would like to put forward as acceptable and not
acceptable for obtaining extended reach.
Not
Acceptable:
1.
Cost increase for the baseline PMD (optic) in order to obtain greater than
100-meter reach
2. EDC
on the system/host board in any case
3. CDR
on the system/host board as part of the baseline solution
4. EDC
in the baseline PMD (optic)
5. CDR
in the baseline PMD (optic)
Acceptable:
1. Use
of OM4 fiber
2.
Process maturity that yields longer reach with no cost increase
In
summary, we should not burden the baseline solution with cost increases to meet
the needs of an extended-reach solution.
Sincerely,
Jeffery
Maki
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