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Re: [8023-POEP] Cabling and wire current capacities



I think all safety concerns are addressed in current POE standard and, based on our objectives, it will not change in POE plus:

Safety standards of information technology equipments consider following hazards:

 

1. Electric shock     

We are addressing it in POE by keeping voltage to be SELV

 

2. Energy related hazards  

Hazardous energy level: A stored energy of   20J or more, or available continuous power level 240 VA or more.

To meet stored energy requirements at 57V, output capacitance of PSE and input capacitance on PS should be below 12000uF. (1/2xCxV^2 =20J). Therefore we meet stored energy requirements and definitely 240VA power level.

 

3. Fire hazards

 

We are addressing this issue by keeping POE output to comply with limited power source requirements (LPS)  (Pout <100VA and Iout <150/Vout  for inherently limited POE and Pout< 250VA for non inherently limited POE)

 

4. Heat related hazards

 

Clause 6.3 of UL 60950 provides guideline for protection of the telecommunication wiring from overheating.

 

We are not intend to have even close to  1.3A per conductor in POE plus, therefore  we comply with this requirements too.

 

5. Mechanical hazards

 

Not relevant to POE

 

6. Radiation hazards

 

Not relevant to POE

 

 

7. Chemical hazards

 

Not relevant to POE

 

 

Conclusion: All safety requirements of information technology equipments addressed in current POE standard  and POE plus objectives.

 

 

Regards

Arkadiy Peker
System Architect
PowerDsine, Inc.

1865 New Highway
Farmingdale, NY 11735
 Tel. 631-756-4680 x404,

 Fax.  631-756-4691

Arkadiyp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


From: owner-stds-802-3-poep@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-poep@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael McCormack
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:38 PM
To: STDS-802-3-POEP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [8023-POEP] Cabling and wire current capacities

 


Removing my chairman's cap for a moment and expressing my personal opinions:

1) I am not intent on supporting outside wiring and I did not see anyone at the meeting who was pushing it (I may have missed though I was present 99.9%).  As such I would say the PHYs of EFM will not get consideration.
2) If anything that is being suggested means my equipment can no longer push it as SELV, I am against it.  I do not believe that the voltages, amperages or wattages that have been proposed push us beyond (or even close to) surpassing SELV.
3) No one can anticipate every bad installation practice and correct for it in a specification.  Had the installer who tie wrapped the CAT5e cables to the steam pipe tied them the to the furnace stove piping they would have combusted with or without power.  I would not say bury our heads in the sand; but, the idiots often prove too resourceful to be thwarted at every turn.

Cheers

Mike
(just a guy from a systems vendor)