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Re: [8023-POEP] IEEE 802.3at Vport ad hoc Wednesday; May 2; 9: Update on ILIM



Hi Fred,

 

It is obvious that PD can draw ICUT for TCUT and TCUT is 50ms minimum. See my presentation from last Wednesday meeting. This is our starting point since we are discussing only ILIM region (short circuit behavior) and not Overload (ICUT, TCUT).

So as I showed, TLIM_MIN is the crossing point of the current with ICUT_MAX = ILIM_MIN. (PD always draws ICUT_MIN as maximum average value)

 

The assumption that when using constant current limit we get longer TLIM_MIN should be correct and the question is how to derive this number.

You didn’t supply the info how you calculate those numbers.

 

Yair

 


From: owner-stds-802-3-poep@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-3-poep@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Fred Schindler (frs)
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:34 AM
To: STDS-802-3-POEP@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [8023-POEP] IEEE 802.3at Vport ad hoc Wednesday; May 2; 9: Update on ILIM

 

Hello,

 

An updated ILIM slide is attached.  The calculations performed assume that a PD can draw ICUT for TCUT and that TCUT is longer than or equal to TLIM.  Therefore, a PD could legally draw ICUT constantly even if the PD voltage is increased.  If we do not want to allow this we need to put the appropriate language in the specification.

 

The PSE can only source ILIM_MIN when enough voltage difference exists between the PSE and the PD.  When a smaller difference exists, less than ILIM_MIN is sourced by the PSE and the PSE is no longer monitoring TLIM.  The PD voltage ramps to it final value exponentially from this point forward.

 

The values obtained match IEEE 802.3 needs and provide a shorter TLIM for IEEE 802.3at (because of the higher ILIM and the smaller voltage change).

 

Please provide comments before the next meeting on Wed. May 9.  Thanks for helping this specification move forward,

 

Fred Schindler

Technical Leader

CISCO Systems

170 West Tasman Drive

M/S SJ-19-3

San Jose, CA 95134-1706

Tel. (408) 525-9859

 

PS I would also like to thank Anoop Vetteth for his support on this effort.