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| Rick, when I proposed to maintain a list of pros 
and cons for the two discovery methods, I stated that the area that would be 
most controversial would be asssigning a value to the importance of each of the 
factors.  That determination I left for each of us to decide, so that we 
would not be in an endless battle on those fine points.  I think that your 
note provides us with good input, which we need to consider.  In 
an attempt to separate the listing of benefits from weighting the benefits, I 
would like to propose a melding of your input and Don's as follows:  
 Don has recommended: (I-2) Minimizes cross-talk 
interference potential to Gigabit Ethernet and  unidentified future services, which you would like to see 
rewritten as: (I-2) Does not interfere 
with Gigabit Ethernet  I would propose resolving this disagreement as 
follows: Include the following distinctions: (I-2a) Does not interfere 
with Gigabit Ethernet  (I-2b) Further minimizes 
cross-talk interference potential to Gigabit Ethernet  (I-2c) Minimizes cross-talk 
interference potential to unidentified future 
services  When listed in this way, each of us can make the 
independent assessment on how much weight to give the benefits of  not 
interfering with Gigabit Ethernet, with further minimizing cross-talk 
interference potential to Gigabit Ethernet, and with minimizing cross-talk 
interferfence potential to unidentified future services.  I-2b and I-2c may 
be  categories that Don gives a stronger weighting to than you 
do. With this proliferation of catgegories, I would 
advise the members of the task force to give each of the super categories a 
percentage weighting (i.e. assign % values to categories I, R, D, C, and 
S so that the toal equals 100%)  As a next step, assign relative 
weightings within each category.  Using COSTS as an example, assume you 
have assigned to COSTS a 25% overall weighting:  Take the 8 sub-bullets 
under COSTS and assign them them relative percentage values that total 100%, and 
then multiply each of those values by the 25% CATEGORY value to detemine the 
final overall weighting of the sub-categories.  This still leaves you the 
task of determining how well each Discovery method meets each of these 
criteria.  When carrying out the analysis in this manner, disecting a single benefit into many sub-benefits does 
not end up giving it more weighting in the final quantified evaluation of the 
trade-offs. Rick, you questioned proposed benefit (I-3).  
Certainly, "(I-3) minimizes EMI" is a benefit 
that many of us would give at least some weighting to.  The fact that one 
of the benefits of a dc scheme is to minimize EMI should not prejudice us to 
remove or modify this potential benefit.   I strongly 
recommend we do not remove or change this category. For R-1 and R-2 you make the comment We need to define "noisy" environment.  I agree with your comment and hope that we have e-mail input 
proposing how to define those environments.  Ultimately, we each must give 
a weighting to this benefit and relative scores to each of the discovery 
methods.  Tests presented will be a substantial help for all of us in 
making both assessments.  I welcome adding "proposed tests" to the notes on 
this benefit which may provide useful criteria for making the 
assessments. For (R-3) you 
state:  We need further definition 
on this one.  I agree.  Good definitions are appropriately 
placed in the notes and will aid in determining the assigned 
weights. Per your suggestion we 
can add: "R-5) Avoids 
failure to detect a valid powerable device".  "(R-6) Automatic recovery from a cable discharge or ESD event". Rick, for (D-1) Low risk of equipment damage IF power is ever inappropriately provided you say How 
is this an issue of the discovery method, that is not covered above under 
robustness?  I looked closely at the 4 Robustness items Don proposed, and your 2 
additional ones, and fail to see where (D-1) is covered at all by any of 
them.  Further, D-1, does not appear to be a Robustness Issue.  If 
anything it is in a different super category of SAFETY.  If we have other 
safety issues that surface, we could certainly place D-1 there.  In the 
meantime, I would strongly favor just leaving it where it is.  Again, each 
of us must decide what the appropriate relative weighting is for this 
benefit. For (C-1) you state:  Doesn't this assume a fact that is not yet in evidence? 
 Are you saying that discovery and load current measurement must use the same method? I urge all with strong opinions in these areas to 
present their arguements for and against via e-mail.  These argurements 
will assist us in determining the weightings to give both to the category, 
and to how well each Discovery method satisfies this criteria. ----- Original Message -----  
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