Second attempt to get this sent to the email 
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    Folks,
       On 
    reviewing the Yahoo mailing list archive I saw an email asking why the 
    compatibility with 802 criterion failed to get the necessary 75% approval in 
    the 802.3 closing plenary session. In my view there are two reasons for 
    this:
     
    1) It was stated 
    during the debate in the closing plenary by a study group member that no 
    changes to the MAC or PHY may be necessary. If that is the case then what is 
    the point of doing an 802.3 project? You need to give the 802.3 working 
    group some idea of what it is that you want to do.
     
    2) You failed to 
    convince 802.1 that what you are proposing is compatible with their 
    switching specs. The tutorial gave the impression that the purpose of the 
    task force would be to standardize a mooted Firewire switch architecture in 
    802.1. This switch architecture requires a separate queue for RE traffic and 
    is required to deliver frames at precise time intervals. Predictably this 
    did not go down well in 802.1 and the 802.3 working group took notice of 
    this.
     
      I also 
    have the following observations to make
    i) To see RE 
    through as an 802.3 project you need to engage with the wider 802.3 working 
    group. Using a Yahoo mailing list rather than this one does not help. If you 
    want to know why people voted against the compatibility criterion ask on 
    this mailing list. The vote to set up the study group was 41 to 7 so there 
    is support for a task force and making changes to the 802.3 spec for RE. 
    Don't squander this good will.
     
    ii) You need a 
    chair who is experienced in 802.3 policy and 
    procedures. 
     
    iii) You need to 
    come up with a quantitative requirement for jitter and relative latency and 
    justify it. I saw the figure of 10us mentioned on the Yahoo mailing list. 
    This is ridiculously tight. An 802.3 voter who is experienced in VOIP 
    pointed out to me that even 1ms is too tight when you consider that sound 
    only travels one foot in a millisecond. Once you have this requirement 
    nailed a lot else will fall into place.
     
    iv) The sort of 
    thing that would make sense for a task force would be to develop a mechanism 
    for measuring link delay using MAC control frames so that time stamp 
    information could be accurately interpreted. This is within the scope of 
    802.3 and clearly relevant to what you are trying to achieve with 
    residential Ethernet.
     
    Arthur.