RE: Redirection of IPF dollars
Bob, I like that idea too, but at least the way I read the motion, we're not getting that! We're giving our money in hopes that they can promote the idea of making P802 standards freely available electronically. That sound a little too much like Werner Earhardt's Hunger Project to me. We're not guaranteed to get anything as far as I can see. It's like paying for a lobbyist. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of doing that without at least the specific mandate to do it from the taxpayers (our attendees). If they indicate clearly by a vote that they are willing to make such an investment with money from their fees, then we're OK. Without that we're behaving like those Washington politicians who are always ready to spend other folks money to support causes that they like. I'd prefer a more democratic approach, especially if we're acting in violation of our own rules.
Thanx, Buzz
Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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> From: rdlove@us.ibm.com[SMTP:rdlove@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 5:42 PM
> To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: Redirection of IPF dollars
> Buzz, I love the idea of using the funds to make the resultant standards freely
> available. Most of us that have enough business interest to pay the 802 meeting
> fees have an equally strong interest in seeing the standards freely available.
> It is the right way to proceed!
> Best regards.
> Robert D. Love
> Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
> Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
> IBM
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> "Rigsbee, Everett O" <Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com> on 10/20/99 08:18:45 PM
> To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org, 802 Howard Frazier <hfrazier@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: Redirection of IPF dollars
> Howard, I would suggest that we really need to consider a 3rd option, namely:
> * In order to comply with our own rules which mandate that meeting fees
> collected at plenary sessions be used exclusively to defray the costs associated
> with putting on the meeting, IEEE802 resolves to stop contributions to support
> the ISO secretariat and use the savings to not only prevent the otherwise
> necessary further increase in the meeting fees, but instead reduce the meeting
> fees (~$50).
>
> I would like to see us take a poll of ALL of our WG attendees that indicates
> whether we should:
>
> a). Continue with our current level of contributions to support the ISO
> secretariat.
>
> b) Give the same amount to the IEEE-SA instead to promote the idea of making
> P802 standards freely available electronically.
>
> c) Retain the money to prevent future increase in plenary meeting fees and
> reduce the fees instead (~$50).
>
> We should collect the information during the Nov. WG meetings for review and
> action by the SEC on Thursday evening.
>
> I believe we need to hear the sentiments of all of our attendees before we take
> any unilateral action.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
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> > From: Howard Frazier[SMTP:hfrazier@cisco.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 3:26 PM
> > To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: Redirection of IPF dollars
> >
> > At the July SEC meeting, Bill Lidinsky presented a motion during
> > agenda item 4.9 which read:
> > In order to further the goal of making P802 standards free and
> > electronically available to the public worldwide, IEEE P802 resolves
> > that all P802 funds now used to support ISO secretariats be
> > diverted to supporting the IEEE-SA in achieving the above goal.>
> > Consideration of this motion was postponed to the November meeting by
> > a vote of 9/3/1.
> > I will put this item at the top of the agenda for the monday morning
> > exec meeting. Will we be ready to have some discussion and reach a
> > conclusion? I haven't seen any additional information about this issue
> > on the reflector.
> > Howard Frazier
> >
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