RE: Actions from 802 Meeting
Geoff, I like it, I like it !!! It works for me.
Jim, Can you please make the update ???
Thanx, Buzz
Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
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> From: Geoff Thompson[SMTP:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:11 PM
> To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: Actions from 802 Meeting
> Buzz-
> I would like to tune your wording a little further and hopefully seem a little more gracious:
> "Invited guests who do not pay a meeting fee are welcome to observe various
> sessions of 802, however, as guests they may not vote in WG meetings during
> that plenary and their attendance will not be counted toward building or
> maintaining voting membership in any WG."
> (Presumably we will neve be in the situation where we waive the fee for
> someone who is an 802 Voter but is only coming to that meeting on the basis
> of an Exec invite)
> Geoff
> At 02:43 PM 3/27/00 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
> >Jim, I'm a little uncomfortable with the wording in your item #3, but I
> >see that it was similar before so I must have missed it last time it
> >came around. At any rate I will provide my comments:
> >Your message proposed the following:
> >3) Modify chair's guidelines on Registration Fees, Section 2.4:
> >NEW: 2) Invited (by members of the SEC) guests who attend meetings for specific value,
> >provide tutorials should be exempt from the meeting fee. Unless they pay a
> >meeting fee, they will not be counted as WG voters. These individuals may
> >participate in WG meetings. Note that observers are allowed to comment on WG
> >documents and vote at the IEEE sponsor level if they meet requirements here.
> >They should not count toward IPF fee. They should register to receive a name badge.
> >
> >* I don't care for the phrase "... for specific value, provide tutorials
> ..." because it sounds like the person is paying some special fee which is
> not explained. May I suggest the following alternative: " ... for a
> specific purpose that is of value to general attendees (e.g. to provide a
> tutorial presentation) ..."
> >
> >* I am also unhappy that the next sentence does not quite say what we all
> know that it means. I would like to suggest the following alternative:
> "Guests, who do not pay a meeting fee, may not vote in WG meetings during
> that plenary and their attendance will not be counted toward building or
> maintaining voting membership in any WG."
> >
> >There, now I'm happy. We DO need to make sure that our guidelines are
> precise and not open to misinterpretation.
> >Thanx, Buzz
> >Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> >Boeing SSG
> >PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> >Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> >ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> >email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> >> ----------
> >> From: Jim Carlo[SMTP:jcarlo@ti.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 5:12 PM
> >> To: IEEE802
> >> Subject: Actions from 802 Meeting
> >>
> >> Here's my notes from 802 meeting on updating chair's guidelines. Howard, do
> >> you want to do this or should I? I cannot find the original source file.
> >> 1) Add item to chair's guidelines, Section 2.1, note(4) on Press Releases:
> >> (4) Press release drafts should be approved by the SEC (meeting or Email
> >> Ballot). The WG should normally also approve a press release, although in
> >> some cases this cannot be done timely and SEC decision will prevail.
> >> 2) Modify chair's tutorial guidelines, Section 2.5, as follows:
> >> Item 3) to now read:
> >> NEW "Hosted by SEC member" rather than
> >> OLD "Hosted by SEC member or Study Group Chair"
> >> NEW "Announced to SEC reflector as soon as sponsor ready to proceed" rather
> >> than OLD "Announced to SEC reflector"
> >> Item 4) line item deleted:
> >> DELETE "Products looking to be "Standardized"">
> >> 3) Modify chair's guidelines on Registration Fees, Section 2.4:
> >> NEW: 2) Invited (by members of the SEC) guests who attend meetings for
> specific value,
> >> provide tutorials should be exempt from the meeting fee. Unless they pay a
> >> meeting fee, they will not be counted as WG voters. These individuals may
> >> participate in WG meetings. Note that observers are allowed to comment
> on WG
> >> documents and vote at the IEEE sponsor level if they meet requirements
> here.
> >> They should not count toward IPF fee. They should register to receive a
> name badge.
> >> OLD: 2) Invited (by members of the SEC) guests who attend meetings for
> specific value,
> >> provide tutorials and have liaison impact on IEEE 802 activities should
> be exempt from
> >> the meeting fee. This would apply to key management in other Standards
> Committees
> >> who liaise to 802. These individuals (such as the chair of TR 40.8, the
> chair of
> >> JTC1/SC25, etc.) provide a strong value add to our work efforts by their
> attendance.
> >> Unless they pay a meeting fee, they will not be counted as WG voters.
> These individuals
> >> may participate in WG meetings. Note that observers are allowed to
> comment on WG>
> >> documents and vote at the IEEE sponsor level if they meet requirements
> here. They
> >> should not count toward IPF fee. They should register to receive a name
> badge.
> >> Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> >> TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> >> Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
> >> Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> >>
> >
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