RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday Plenary Meeting
Bob, That's exactly the point. Business that you can't really count on
is more of a problem rather than a help. I wonder if we could somehow
solicit for WG's (or outside groups, e.g. 10GEA, etc.) willing to commit
to being there during the previous plenary session ??? I'd be happy to
hold onto the room-block, if there was someway to guarantee it would
actually be used. At four months out, room-block adjustments are usually
no problem. At 2 weeks out, they're a BIG problem !!!
Good News about 10GEA for La Jolla; that's one less thing to worry
about. Since it's such a good deal for you guys, would you want to make
it a regular thing for the next couple of years ??? I'd vote for it !!!
Thanx, Buzz
Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> From: Grow, Bob[SMTP:bob.grow@intel.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:00 AM
> To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; 'rdlove@ieee.org'
> Subject: RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday Plenary Meeting
> I agree that Friday should be available for WG or TF meetings just Sunday
> and Monday have been used in the past. I know I have attended 802.3 Task
> Force meetings prior to the opening plenary in the past. Friday will also
> be a convienient date for non-802 groups with related interests. Buzz, I
> expect these irregular (both 802 and non-802) activites will add to our room
> night count, but I also recognize the impossibility of counting on those
> room nights. (For example, the 10 Gigabit Ethernet Alliance has set a
> member meeting for Friday in La Jolla to allow participants to trade an
> additional hotel night for a trip.)
> --Bob Grow
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:43 AM
> To: 'rdlove@us.ibm.com'; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday Plenary Meeting
> I have one expression of WG interest in Friday meeting time. Unfortunately, 802.5 is
> currently small and due to go into hibernation soon. Any other WG interest in this as a
> way to get more face-to-face meeting time (Dawn will love the plug, Bob! :)) ???
> Or do we need to wait and explore this concept at La Jolla before making any decisions ???
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124
> ph: (425) 865-2443
> fax: (425) 865-6721
> email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> From: rdlove@us.ibm.com [mailto:rdlove@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 6:27 AM
> To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday Plenary Meeting
> Buzz, I believe that for any large groups with active projects face-to-face
> meeting time is always in critically short supply. Even if Friday is
> treated like a single "interim" meeting day, i.e. not counted toward
> meeting attendance requirements, it would be very valuable to hold such
> meetings. I know that 802.5 used them beneficially on a number of
> occasions to help move the work forward.
> Best regards.
> Robert D. Love
> Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
> Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
> IBM
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> "Rigsbee, Everett O" <Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com>@ieee.org on 04/26/2000 03:25:13 PM
> Sent by: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> To: Paul Nikolich <p.nikolich@ieee.org>, Tony Jeffree
> <tony@jeffree.co.uk>, 802 Dave Carlson <dcarlson@netlabs.net>
> cc: stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday Plenary Meeting
> Dave, Unfortunately, I don't think that is the plan at least as it has>
> been discussed so far. The proposal was that the WG's still complete
> their work by Thursday afternoon but that the SEC meeting gets moved
> to Friday AM so that SEC members have more time to prepare for
> the meeting. Whether some WGs might want to schedule
> additional working sessions for Thursday PM or Friday that would
> retain the room block has not been discussed (at least not with me!).
> So I'll pose the question: Does anyone see merit in this suggestion ???.
> Thanx, Buzz
> Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > From: David Carlson[SMTP:dcarlson@netlabs.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:38 AM
> > To: Rigsbee, Everett O; Paul Nikolich; Tony Jeffree
> > Cc: stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
> > Subject: Re: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday
> Plenary Meeting
> > Buzz et al,
> > With the elimination of the Closing Plenary, the WGs can then meet thru
> > Friday instead of just thru Thursday, as was the case when a Closing
> Plenary
> > was in vogue. This would satisfy your concern about room blocks, right?
> > Dave
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O <Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com>
> > To: Paul Nikolich <p.nikolich@ieee.org>; Tony Jeffree
> <tony@jeffree.co.uk>
> > Cc: stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org <stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 12:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday Plenary
> Meeting
> > >Tony & other SEC members:
> > >Where I certainly support the move to eliminate the Friday Closing
> > >Plenary, I'm holding off on sending out the notification until I've had
> > >a chance to make sure that resulting room block adjustment is acceptable
> > >to our contracted venues and will not cause us to incur stiff penalties
> > >for undershoot. So far we look OK, but you really need to get an
> official
> > >OK from each property. If we hit a snag short-term, I may want to
> recommend
> > >adjusting the effectivity date to avoid a problem. Further out we're
> > >definitely OK. Sorry for the delay but I was away on a much needed
> vacation
> > >and am only just now getting back up to speed. I'll keep you posted on
> > >the progress of negotiations and the message will go out as soon as
> > >we are in the clear.
> > >Thanx, Buzz
> > >Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > >Boeing SSG
> > >PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > >Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > >ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> > >email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > >> ----------
> > >> From: Tony Jeffree[SMTP:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 3:43 AM
> > >> To: Paul Nikolich
> > >> Cc: stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
> > >> Subject: Re: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--Elimination of Friday
> Plenary
> > Meeting
> > >>
> > >> At 10:29 15/04/00 -0400, Paul Nikolich wrote:
> > >> >Dear SEC,
> > >> >Per Geoff Thompson's excellent suggestion, attached you will find
> > proposed
> > >> >text for the IEEE Rules change to eliminate the Friday plenary
> meeting
> > (Bob
> > >> >Grow thanks for providing the edits) INCLUDING the strikethrough of
> > removed
> > >> >text attached.
> > >> >The ballot opened April 14th 5pm EDT and closes June 1st 5pm EDT.
> > >> >Howard, can you please place this rules change on the www.ieee802.org
> > web
> > >> >site in the IEEE 802 Opertating Rules and Other Documents subsection
> > under
> > >> >the heading "Proposed Rules Change".
> > >> >Buzz, per our rules, rules change ballots are to be distributed to
> all
> > 802
> > >> >attendees--please notify the 802 list that a rules change is pending
> and
> > >> >they can go to "http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.html" and click on
> > "Proposed
> > >> >Rules Change" to obtain the text.
> > >> Paul/Buzz - I haven't seen any notification distributed to all of 802>
> > yet -
> > >> did I just miss it?
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Tony
> > >>
> > >
> >
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