RE: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
Buzz
What I believe Bob is saying and what I am saying is that to use 802
funds for the benefit of a few working groups for activities outside the
Plenary is something I will not support.
It's that simple.
Geoff
At 04:38 PM 12/5/00 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
OK Bob, So what you and Geoff are saying
is that unless every WG in 802
chooses to participate in an 802-Hosted interim, it's not possible to
hold one.
If this is your firm and unalterable position on the matter, then we
probably
ought to bag this notion entirely because it's not possible to plan
anything on
that basis. There will always be some WG that has a legitimate
reason for
wanting to meet separately. My personal view is along the same
lines as
Bob Love's. That all groups are invited to participate, to help
choose the
week, and if they instead choose to seek a separately hosted meeting,
that
should not prevent the other WG's from participating in an 802-hosted
interim.
Every group would have a fair and equal chance and they get to choose
their preference. They can opt in or opt out, but I don't think
they should
have the right to spoil it for all the groups that do want to
participate.
That seems really unfair to me !!! :-)
As soon as we have a WG that doesn't want/need to hold interim meetings
we're finished. So why even bother ???
Thanx, Buzz
Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> From:
Grow,
Bob[SMTP:bob.grow@intel.com]
> Sent:
Tuesday,
December 05, 2000 9:17 AM
> To: 'Geoff Thompson'; Rigsbee, Everett
O
> Cc: stds-802-sec; 802 @F2F Dawn S; 802
@F2F Darcel Moro
> Subject: RE: FW: +++
BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> Geoff's conclusion that I expressed an equivalent objection is
correct. The
> fairness issue is fundamental to my concern on how this has
evolved. Use
> of the good faith and credit of the 802 treasury is something that
has been
> denied for interim meetings in the past and in the current plan is
inequitably applied.
> --Bob
> From: Geoff Thompson
[mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:03 PM
> To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> Cc: stds-802-sec; 802 @F2F Dawn S; 802 @F2F Darcel Moro
> Subject: RE: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> Buzz-
> I do understand that the PLAN is to net zero.
> However, according to the motion, the 802 treasury is standing
behind the
> Orlando meeting to the tune of
> 1)
Guaranteeing that it will happen.
> 2) Covering
any shortfall
> 3) ??
> It is not providing the same for other meetings.
> That is not equitable and is to the disadvantage of the roughly half
of the
> 802 membership who depend on me to represent them.
> I believe that this is in line with the point that Bob Grow made
earlier.
> Geoff
> At 11:36 AM 12/4/00 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O
wrote:
>>Geoff, I think you are misunderstanding
the proposal. All of the expenses
>>for the Orlando meeting are being paid by the meeting fees
collected from
>>the attendees (just as we do at a plenary meeting). The
plan is to tailor
>>the
>>expenses at the meeting to come out with net balance of $0.
Thus there
>>will be no impact on IEEE 802 treasury. The only role being
played by
>>IEEE 802 is to serve as the hosting body to make the
meeting arrangements
>>and ensure that the Hotel agreement conforms to our stand
policies. The
>>meeting fees collected from the attendees will cover all of the
actual
>>expenses.
>>It is possible to track and adjust expenses during the meeting so
that they
>>exactly match the funds collected. It is NOT the case that
the 802
> Treasury
>>is subsidizing one meeting and not the other.
>>Thanx, Buzz
>>Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>>Boeing SSG
>>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>>Seattle, WA 98124-2207
>>ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
>>email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>>> ----------
>>> From: Geoff
Thompson[SMTP:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
>>> Sent:
Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:03 PM
>>> To: jcarlo
>>> Cc: IEEE802>
>>> Subject: Re: FW: +++ BALLOT:
Interim Meeting Agreement
>>>
>>> In the current form I vote DISAPPROVE
>>> I cannot support such a discriminatory allocation of funds,
i.e. to the
>>> group consisting of
>>> 802.11
>>> 802.15
>>> 802.16
>>> and excluding
>>> 802.1
>>> 802.3
>>> 802.17
>>> If a more equitable arrangement is offered I would be more
inclined to
>>> support it.
>>> Geoff
>>> At 04:39 PM 12/1/00 -0600, Jim Carlo wrote:
>>>>UPDATED STATUS: NOTE CURRENT MOTION WOULD PASS - PLEASE
VOTE
>>>>Howard Frazier -
>>>>Bob Grow -
>>>>Paul Nikolich - Approve
>>>>Buzz Rigsbee - Approve
>>>>Vic Hayes - Approve with Comment
>>>>Tony Jeffree - Approve
>>>>Geoff Thompson -
>>>>Bob Love - Do Not Approve
>>>>Stuart Kerry - Approve
>>>>Bob Heile - Approve
>>>>Roger Marks - Approve
>>>>Jim Carlo - Chair
>>>>Stuart Kerry, who is here with me at the moment in the
Netherlands has also
>>>>approved this motion. After the November 2000 motion the
original wireless
>>>>hosts for dot11, dot15 and dot16 (ParkerVision and
Intersil) have not moved
>>>>forward with hotel and meeting facilities because they
were convinced that
>>>>802 was taking care of the organization and liability
issues. Vic Hayes
>>>>I vote conditionally approve based on 802.17 being added
to the list of
>>>>working groups to meet in Orlando. Otherwise I must
vote NO. This motion
>>>>failed to capture the spirit of the email discussion that
directly preceeded
>>>>it. The previous e-mail suggests that 802.17
prefers Orlando to Sacramento,
>>>>directily contradicting Note 3. Will all those that
have already voted in
>>>>support of this motion please send an e-mail to the
reflector stating that
>>>>you support my requested change? Thank you. Bob
Love
>>>>SEC OFFICIAL EMAIL BALLOT 802.0/29Nov2000
>>>>Issue Date: 29Nov2000 Closing Date: 3Dec2000
>>>>Moved By: Buzz Rigsbee
>>>>Move: Approve that IEEE 802 financially back-up the
commitment for the
>>>>following Working Groups to hold their interim meeting in
Orlando on
>>>>14-18May. The plan is this meeting will run on a break
even financial basis.
>>>>802.11
>>>>802.15
>>>>802.16
>>>>Notes:
>>>>1) 802.11, 802.15, 802.16 are committed to attend this
meeting.
>>>>2) Bob Grow an I will need to have a financial report of
this interim
>>>>meeting, to be prepared and presented at the SEC in July.
Will work out the
>>>>details in March.
>>>>3) This note is not part of the motion, and outside the
scope of 802 SEC.
>>>>However, 802.3, 802.1, 802.17 currently plan to hold a
separate meeting,
>>>>hosted by Intel in Sacramento during the week of May 28 -
June 1. Note
>> that
>>>>this is Memorial Day weekend. Note also that this motion
does not have any
>>>>commitment on this meetings, just a possible plan, that
might and probably
>>>>will change.
>>>>Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776
>> Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274>
>>>>TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas
Instruments
>>>>Vice Chair, IEEE-SA Standards Board
>>>>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee