Re: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
Excuse me Buzz. I realize there is opposition. However, we did have a vote
and the vote was approved. I didn't think anyone had veto power at the SEC.
If you want to bring up a new motion, feel free.
Best regards,
Robert D. Love
President, LAN Connect Consultants
7105 Leveret Circle Raleigh, NC 27615
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O <Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com>
To: 802 J Carlo <jcarlo@ti.com>
Cc: 802 Exec <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: FW: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
>
> Jim, Given the firm opposition by Geoff Thompson and Bob Grow to the
notion
> of 802-Hosted interims that do not include ALL working groups, I think we
> should consider withdrawing the offer of the 802-Hosted May 2001 interim.
> Neither Dawn nor I relish the thought of a prolonged philosophical battle
over
> this issue, and frankly none of us need the extra work, if it's not viewed
as
> beneficial to the 802 community. Until we see some resolution on this
matter
> I would prefer to concentrate my time in areas that will be productive.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > ----------
> > From: Geoff Thompson[SMTP:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:42 PM
> > To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> > Cc: Grow, Bob; stds-802-sec@ieee.org; 802 @F2F Dawn S; 802 @F2F Darcel
Moro
> > Subject: RE: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> >
> > Buzz
> > What I believe Bob is saying and what I am saying is that to use 802
funds for the benefit
> > of a few working groups for activities outside the Plenary is something
I will not support.
> > It's that simple.
> > Geoff
> > At 04:38 PM 12/5/00 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
> > OK Bob, So what you and Geoff are saying is that unless every WG in 802
> > chooses to participate in an 802-Hosted interim, it's not possible to
hold one.
> > If this is your firm and unalterable position on the matter, then we
probably
> > ought to bag this notion entirely because it's not possible to plan
anything on
> > that basis. There will always be some WG that has a legitimate reason
for
> > wanting to meet separately. My personal view is along the same lines as
> > Bob Love's. That all groups are invited to participate, to help choose
the
> > week, and if they instead choose to seek a separately hosted meeting,
that
> > should not prevent the other WG's from participating in an 802-hosted
interim.
> > Every group would have a fair and equal chance and they get to choose
> > their preference. They can opt in or opt out, but I don't think they
should
> > have the right to spoil it for all the groups that do want to
participate.
> > That seems really unfair to me !!! :-)
> > As soon as we have a WG that doesn't want/need to hold interim meetings
> > we're finished. So why even bother ???
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> > email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > > From: Grow, Bob[SMTP:bob.grow@intel.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:17 AM
> > > To: 'Geoff Thompson'; Rigsbee, Everett O
> > > Cc: stds-802-sec; 802 @F2F Dawn S; 802 @F2F Darcel Moro
> > > Subject: RE: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> > > Geoff's conclusion that I expressed an equivalent objection is
correct. The
> > > fairness issue is fundamental to my concern on how this has evolved.
Use
> > > of the good faith and credit of the 802 treasury is something that has
been
> > > denied for interim meetings in the past and in the current plan is
inequitably applied.
> > > --Bob
> > > From: Geoff Thompson [ mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:03 PM
> > > To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> > > Cc: stds-802-sec; 802 @F2F Dawn S; 802 @F2F Darcel Moro
> > > Subject: RE: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> > > Buzz-
> > > I do understand that the PLAN is to net zero.
> > > However, according to the motion, the 802 treasury is standing behind
the
> > > Orlando meeting to the tune of
> > > 1) Guaranteeing that it will happen.
> > > 2) Covering any shortfall
> > > 3) ??
> > > It is not providing the same for other meetings.
> > > That is not equitable and is to the disadvantage of the roughly half
of the
> > > 802 membership who depend on me to represent them.>
> > > I believe that this is in line with the point that Bob Grow made
earlier.
> > > Geoff
> > > At 11:36 AM 12/4/00 -0800, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
> > >>Geoff, I think you are misunderstanding the proposal. All of the
expenses
> > >>for the Orlando meeting are being paid by the meeting fees collected
from
> > >>the attendees (just as we do at a plenary meeting). The plan is to
tailor the
> > >>expenses at the meeting to come out with net balance of $0. Thus
there
> > >>will be no impact on IEEE 802 treasury. The only role being played by
> > >>IEEE 802 is to serve as the hosting body to make the meeting
arrangements
> > >>and ensure that the Hotel agreement conforms to our stand policies.
The
> > >>meeting fees collected from the attendees will cover all of the actual
expenses.
> > >>It is possible to track and adjust expenses during the meeting so that
they
> > >>exactly match the funds collected. It is NOT the case that the 802
Treasury
> > >>is subsidizing one meeting and not the other.
> > >>Thanx, Buzz
> > >>Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > >>Boeing SSG
> > >>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > >>Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > >>ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> > >>email: everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > >>> From: Geoff Thompson[SMTP:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:03 PM
> > >>> To: jcarlo
> > >>> Cc: IEEE802>
> > >>> Subject: Re: FW: +++ BALLOT: Interim Meeting Agreement
> > >>> In the current form I vote DISAPPROVE
> > >>> I cannot support such a discriminatory allocation of funds, i.e. to
the
> > >>> group consisting of
> > >>> 802.11
> > >>> 802.15
> > >>> 802.16
> > >>> and excluding
> > >>> 802.1
> > >>> 802.3
> > >>> 802.17
> > >>> If a more equitable arrangement is offered I would be more inclined
to support it.
> > >>> Geoff
> > >>> At 04:39 PM 12/1/00 -0600, Jim Carlo wrote:
> > >>>>UPDATED STATUS: NOTE CURRENT MOTION WOULD PASS - PLEASE VOTE
> > >>>>Howard Frazier -
> > >>>>Bob Grow -
> > >>>>Paul Nikolich - Approve
> > >>>>Buzz Rigsbee - Approve
> > >>>>Vic Hayes - Approve with Comment
> > >>>>Tony Jeffree - Approve
> > >>>>Geoff Thompson -
> > >>>>Bob Love - Do Not Approve
> > >>>>Stuart Kerry - Approve
> > >>>>Bob Heile - Approve
> > >>>>Roger Marks - Approve
> > >>>>Jim Carlo - Chair
> > >>>>Stuart Kerry, who is here with me at the moment in the Netherlands
has also
> > >>>>approved this motion. After the November 2000 motion the original
wireless
> > >>>>hosts for dot11, dot15 and dot16 (ParkerVision and Intersil) have
not moved
> > >>>>forward with hotel and meeting facilities because they were
convinced that
> > >>>>802 was taking care of the organization and liability issues. Vic
Hayes
> > >>>>I vote conditionally approve based on 802.17 being added to the list
of
> > >>>>working groups to meet in Orlando. Otherwise I must vote NO. This
motion
> > >>>>failed to capture the spirit of the email discussion that directly
preceeded
> > >>>>it. The previous e-mail suggests that 802.17 prefers Orlando to
Sacramento,
> > >>>>directily contradicting Note 3. Will all those that have already
voted in
> > >>>>support of this motion please send an e-mail to the reflector
stating that
> > >>>>you support my requested change? Thank you. Bob Love
> > >>>>SEC OFFICIAL EMAIL BALLOT 802.0/29Nov2000
> > >>>>Issue Date: 29Nov2000 Closing Date: 3Dec2000
> > >>>>Moved By: Buzz Rigsbee
> > >>>>Move: Approve that IEEE 802 financially back-up the commitment for
the
> > >>>>following Working Groups to hold their interim meeting in Orlando on
> > >>>>14-18May. The plan is this meeting will run on a break even
financial basis.
> > >>>>802.11
> > >>>>802.15
> > >>>>802.16
> > >>>>Notes:
> > >>>>1) 802.11, 802.15, 802.16 are committed to attend this meeting.
> > >>>>2) Bob Grow an I will need to have a financial report of this
interim
> > >>>>meeting, to be prepared and presented at the SEC in July. Will work
out the
> > >>>>details in March.
> > >>>>3) This note is not part of the motion, and outside the scope of 802
SEC.
> > >>>>However, 802.3, 802.1, 802.17 currently plan to hold a separate
meeting,>
> > >>>>hosted by Intel in Sacramento during the week of May 28 - June 1.
Note that
> > >>>>this is Memorial Day weekend. Note also that this motion does not
have any
> > >>>>commitment on this meetings, just a possible plan, that might and
probably
> > >>>>will change.
> > >>>>Jim Carlo(jcarlo@ti.com) Cellular:1-214-693-1776
> > >> Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274>
> > >>>>TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> > >>>>Vice Chair, IEEE-SA Standards Board
> > >>>>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> >