RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
Buzz,
That is not entirely true. The list currently allows anyone to post to the
reflector and have it delivered to the SEC list members. This has been used
by a number of folks in the working groups (such as Ivan Reade and Harry
Worstell) that are not list members to make announcements or to begin
discussions. Restricting posts to the list members only would bounce all of
these messages to me (the list owner).
I have spoken with David Law (Thanks Pat!) and incorporated the filters that
he has in place for the 802.3 HSSG list. They have been in place since this
morning. This is an experiment to determine just how many posts get bounced
to me and how much trouble it is to create and maintain these filters. I'll
keep you posted.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rigsbee,
Everett O
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:11 PM
To: Buzz@PSS; stuart.kerry@philips.com; 802 Pat Thaler
Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
Pat, Our SEC list is and has always been closed. The only way to get on
the list that I'm aware of, is for the list owner (currently Bob O'Hara) to
specifically
add you to the list. The public access aspect is accommodated by means of
the
web accessible email archive. So restricting the right to post to the list
to
only the members of the list would not change the public access to the
information, but it would surely cut-off the spam with NO filter maintenance
required. KISS !!!
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98324-2207
(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> ----------
> From: THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)[SMTP:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 9:40 AM
> To: Rigsbee, Everett O; stuart.kerry@philips.com; 802 Pat Thaler
> Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
>
> Buzz,
> It is easier, but I don't think it is better. As more and more decision
> making goes on over email, it is important for non-exec members to be able
> to have access to the discussions. A closed list will give the impression
> that the Exec is a closed club. If no one on the Exec is interested in
> taking on the job of keeping the filters up to date (presumably David Law
> can tell you how much work it is but my impression is that it is real
work),
> then we distribute the work to all of us by having to hit the delete key a
> few extra times per day.
> I wonder if it would be possible to ask IEEE to just apply the same
filters
> to 802SEC as are active for the 802.3 reflector (under the assumption that
> the same spammers hit us all). That would still require someone on the
Exec
> to volunteer to receive the bounced messages so that incorrect bounces can
> be sent to the list.
> Pat
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: stuart.kerry@philips.com; Buzz@PSS; 802 Pat Thaler
> Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> Pat, It's much easier to just turn on the control that only allows people
> on the List to post to the list. Since we control who's on the list it
will
> effectively remove all spam. Another option is to make the list moderated
> so that Bob O'Hara as list owner see all attempts to post to the list by
> non-members and can approve or discard before forwarding takes place.
> We don't need to engineering a lot of special filters, at least not for
this list.
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98324-2207
> (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > From: THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)[SMTP:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:52 PM
> > To: stuart.kerry@philips.com; Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com
> > Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> > The IEEE reflector does have the ability to filter on various parameters
> > such as address or text in the message. Occasionally something slips
through
> > onto the 802.3 reflector but our diligent vice-chair David Law adds
filters
> > to the reflector so it doesn't keep happening. IEEE can help but someone
on
> > the Exec would have to take responsibility for deciding what should be
> > filtered. That person also receives the bounced messages because
> > occasionally a legitimate message gets bounced because it contains a
> > suspicious word and someone needs to check and forward to the reflector
> the
> > incorrectly bounced messages.
> > Pat
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stuart.kerry@philips.com [mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:12 PM>
> > To: Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com
> > Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM (and the English amongst us will understand this...)
> > Buzz,
> > Unfortunately, this is now not only a problem restricted to the 802 Exec
> > reflector. Now it occurring on the dot 11 (stds-802-11@ieee.org) and dot
> 15
> > (stds-802-15@ieee.org) reflectors too, and can only get worse as time
> > expands. The computer generators are going through sequence after
sequence
> > down the DNS / IP chain, and will inevitably infect us all.
> > IEEE REFLECTOR POSTOFFICE & ADMIN HELP....... NOW !!!
> > - Stuart J. Kerry
> > Chair, IEEE 802.11 WG
> > Attached is my vCard for Contact Information:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 14:44
> > To: 802 Exec
> > Subject: FW: Re: [802SEC] Web Hosting 100 megs for $9.95 a month !!
> > Now this is truly 100% SPAM, and once it starts, it goes on and on.
> > I still recommend we restrict this list to Post-by-Members-Only, with
> > the clearly communicated option that any 802 member who believes
> > he has a messages that needs to go to the whole SEC can send it to
> > his chair for forwarding as appropriate. End of problem.
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98324-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
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> > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:37 PM
> > > To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
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