RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
Buzz,
I understand your position and even agree with it to a great extent.
Unfortunately that is not the current policy for the SEC reflector. Another
policy of the SEC reflector, that of not setting the reflector as the
reply-to address, requires that you use "reply-all" to send something back
to the list, which will include the originator of a message in the
conversation, even if they are not on the list.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rigsbee,
Everett O
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:02 PM
To: Buzz@PSS; stuart.kerry@philips.com; 802 Pat Thaler; Bob O'Hara
Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
Bob, My feeling is that if you have a need to post to a list you should
be able to be on that list. Otherwise you are unable to see any of the
responses sent back to the list, which is a little like flying blind, and
can lead to people sending inappropriate and/or redundant messages.
If you're not trusted sufficiently to be allowed on the list, then I think
it
is appropriate that you be required to send those messages via your
WG chair or other SEC member, who can arbitrate on appropriateness.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98324-2207
(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> ----------
> From: Bob O'Hara[SMTP:bob@informed-technology.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:39 PM
> To: 'Rigsbee, Everett O'; stuart.kerry@philips.com; '802 Pat Thaler'
> Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
>
> Buzz,
>
> That is not entirely true. The list currently allows anyone to post to
the
> reflector and have it delivered to the SEC list members. This has been
used
> by a number of folks in the working groups (such as Ivan Reade and Harry
> Worstell) that are not list members to make announcements or to begin
> discussions. Restricting posts to the list members only would bounce all
of
> these messages to me (the list owner).
>
> I have spoken with David Law (Thanks Pat!) and incorporated the filters
that
> he has in place for the 802.3 HSSG list. They have been in place since
this
> morning. This is an experiment to determine just how many posts get
bounced
> to me and how much trouble it is to create and maintain these filters.
I'll
> keep you posted.
>
> -Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rigsbee,
> Everett O
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:11 PM
> To: Buzz@PSS; stuart.kerry@philips.com; 802 Pat Thaler
> Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
>
>
>
> Pat, Our SEC list is and has always been closed. The only way to get on
> the list that I'm aware of, is for the list owner (currently Bob O'Hara)
to
> specifically
> add you to the list. The public access aspect is accommodated by means of
> the
> web accessible email archive. So restricting the right to post to the
list
> to
> only the members of the list would not change the public access to the
> information, but it would surely cut-off the spam with NO filter
maintenance
> required. KISS !!!
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98324-2207
> (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > ----------
> > From: THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)[SMTP:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 9:40 AM
> > To: Rigsbee, Everett O; stuart.kerry@philips.com; 802 Pat Thaler
> > Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> >
> > Buzz,
> > It is easier, but I don't think it is better. As more and more decision
> > making goes on over email, it is important for non-exec members to be
able
> > to have access to the discussions. A closed list will give the
impression
> > that the Exec is a closed club. If no one on the Exec is interested in
> > taking on the job of keeping the filters up to date (presumably David
Law
> > can tell you how much work it is but my impression is that it is real
> work),
> > then we distribute the work to all of us by having to hit the delete key
a
> > few extra times per day.
> > I wonder if it would be possible to ask IEEE to just apply the same
> filters
> > to 802SEC as are active for the 802.3 reflector (under the assumption
that
> > the same spammers hit us all). That would still require someone on the>
> Exec
> > to volunteer to receive the bounced messages so that incorrect bounces
can
> > be sent to the list.
> > Pat
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: stuart.kerry@philips.com; Buzz@PSS; 802 Pat Thaler
> > Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> > Pat, It's much easier to just turn on the control that only allows
people
> > on the List to post to the list. Since we control who's on the list it
> will
> > effectively remove all spam. Another option is to make the list
moderated
> > so that Bob O'Hara as list owner see all attempts to post to the list by
> > non-members and can approve or discard before forwarding takes place.
> > We don't need to engineering a lot of special filters, at least not for
> this list.
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98324-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > > From: THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)[SMTP:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:52 PM
> > > To: stuart.kerry@philips.com; Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com
> > > Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > Subject: RE: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> > > The IEEE reflector does have the ability to filter on various
parameters
> > > such as address or text in the message. Occasionally something slips
> through
> > > onto the 802.3 reflector but our diligent vice-chair David Law adds
> filters
> > > to the reflector so it doesn't keep happening. IEEE can help but
someone
> on
> > > the Exec would have to take responsibility for deciding what should be
> > > filtered. That person also receives the bounced messages because
> > > occasionally a legitimate message gets bounced because it contains a
> > > suspicious word and someone needs to check and forward to the
reflector
> > the
> > > incorrectly bounced messages.
> > > Pat
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: stuart.kerry@philips.com [mailto:stuart.kerry@philips.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:12 PM>
> > > To: Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com
> > > Cc: postoffice@ieee.org; sa-admin@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > Subject: [802SEC] REFLECTOR SPAMMING
> > > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM (and the English amongst us will understand
this...)
> > > Buzz,
> > > Unfortunately, this is now not only a problem restricted to the 802
Exec
> > > reflector. Now it occurring on the dot 11 (stds-802-11@ieee.org) and
dot
> > 15
> > > (stds-802-15@ieee.org) reflectors too, and can only get worse as time
> > > expands. The computer generators are going through sequence after
> sequence
> > > down the DNS / IP chain, and will inevitably infect us all.
> > > IEEE REFLECTOR POSTOFFICE & ADMIN HELP....... NOW !!!
> > > - Stuart J. Kerry
> > > Chair, IEEE 802.11 WG
> > > Attached is my vCard for Contact Information:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:Everett.Rigsbee@PSS.Boeing.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 14:44
> > > To: 802 Exec
> > > Subject: FW: Re: [802SEC] Web Hosting 100 megs for $9.95 a month !!
> > > Now this is truly 100% SPAM, and once it starts, it goes on and on.
> > > I still recommend we restrict this list to Post-by-Members-Only, with
> > > the clearly communicated option that any 802 member who believes
> > > he has a messages that needs to go to the whole SEC can send it to
> > > his chair for forwarding as appropriate. End of problem.
> > > Thanx, Buzz
> > > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > > Boeing - SSG
> > > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > > Seattle, WA 98324-2207
> > > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
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> > > > Sent: > Mo> nday, June 25, 2001 4:37 PM
> > > > To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > > Subject: [802SEC] Web Hosting 100 megs for $9.95 a month !!
> > > >
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