[802SEC] FW: BOUNCE stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org: Non-member submission from [k.mccabe@ieee.org]
Forwarded for Karen McCabe.
-Bob
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Subject: Re: Non-member submiss ion from [k.mccabe@ieee.org]
To: Geoff Thompson <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>
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Geoff,
I have followed up with Claudio Stanziola, our staff IP Manager and who
works closely with IEEE-SA and IEEE legal counsel. We are abiding by the
guidance/advise of our legal counsel regarding the placement and use of the
[TM]. With this, we have been advised to use the [TM] as I stated in my
original email, e.g. IEEE 802.16.2 [TM].
Karen
Karen McCabe
Senior Marketing Manager, IEEE Standards
445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
Piscataway NJ 08855 USA
PH: +1 732 562 3824
email: k.mccabe@ieee.org
http://standards.ieee.org
Geoff Thompson
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02/04/2002 04:34 PM
Karen-
RE your statement: "It should have been IEEE 802.16.2[TM]."
I do not believe that this is correct.
According to my searches of the PTO database on the web, there is no
registered trademark that matches this.
Therefore, I believe that the TM symbol should not be used as you have
designated.
It is my understanding that if you wish to express trademark registration
for the term "802" then the [tm] mark must be expressed immediately to the
right of the registered mark, not some number of characters later.
Thus Coca-Cola Six Pack[tm] doesn't cover Coca-Cola, but rather would be
proper only if the entire phrase "Coca-Cola Six Pack" had been successfully
registered, otherwise Coca-Cola[tm] Six Pack is what it takes.
Geoff
At 12:30 PM 2/4/02 -0800, Bob O'Hara wrote:
>Forwarded for Karen McCabe.
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> -Bob
>
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>Subject: BOUNCE stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org: Non-member submission
>from [k.mccabe@ieee.org]
>Subject: Re: use of trademark symbol inside standard numbers
>To: "Roger B. Marks" <r.b.marks@ieee.org>
>Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>
>Hi Roger,
>So sorry for my very delayed response. Your original message got lost in
>the "e-mail" shuffle. Please note that the placement of the [TM] is the
>IEEE 802.16 news release was incorrect. It should have been IEEE
>802.16.2[TM]. We can correct on archive versions of the release.
>
>I have noted the correction and proper usage of the [TM] for future
>efforts--along with notifying CoreCom and Corporate Communications.
>
>Please advise if there is anything further you would like for staff to
>pursue on this issue.
>
>Thanks!
>Karen
>
>Karen McCabe
>Senior Marketing Manager, IEEE Standards
>445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
>Piscataway NJ 08855 USA
>PH: +1 732 562 3824
>email: k.mccabe@ieee.org
>http://standards.ieee.org
>
>
>
>
> "Roger B.
>
> Marks" To: <k.mccabe@ieee.org>
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> <r.b.marks@iee cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>
> e.org> Subject: use of trademark
>symbol inside standard numbers
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> 02/01/2002
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> 12:36 PM
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>Karen,
>
>I wanted to follow up with a question I asked you in early December.
>
>In your press release on the approval of IEEE Standard 802.16:
> http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/80216app.html
>there is a reference to "IEEE Standard 802.16[TM].2" (where [TM] is a
>superscript trademark symbol).
>
>I am really puzzled as to the use of the trademark symbol right smack
>in the middle of a standard number. My guess is that someone did a
>global replace of "802.16" with "802.16[TM]" and failed to notice the
>impact on standard 802.16.2. However, I'm not certain. Since the
>press release hasn't been corrected, I'm starting to think that this
>was actually intentional. Can you clarify?
>
>I hope that this is an editorial oversight, not a policy. It would
>take a lot of effort, for instance, to convince the world that
>"802.11b" is really "802.11[TM]b".
>
>Regards,
>
>Roger
>
>
> >Karen,
> >
> >Thanks for getting the IEEE 802.16 press release onto the IEEE-SA front
>page:
> >
> > http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/80216app.html
> >
> >While I knew that IEEE had trademarked "WirelessMAN", I was
> >surprised to find the trademark symbol attached to "802.16" (in 12
> >places). I'd like to better understand exactly what the trademark
> >covers. I'm a little confused by the press release's statement that
> >"IEEE Std 802.16, WirelessMAN is a trademark of the IEEE." Exactly
> >what term is trademarked?
> >
> >[By the way, I didn't find "802.16" on the USPTO site
> ><http://tess.uspto.gov>. (I did, however, find "802" registered to
> >IEEE for "pamphlets of standards and specifications for local and
> >metropolitan area networks", to Wayne Gretzky for hockey equipment,
> >and to the Bose Corporation for loudspeakers).]
> >
> >I would like to voice an objection to one particular use of the
> >trademark symbol in the press release: the reference to our
> >previously-published standard as "IEEE Standard 802.16[TM].2". I
> >request that you reconsider this use of the trademark symbol inside
> >a standard number. I hope that, if you agree with me, you will
> >correct the version on the web.
> >
> >Thanks for all your help in getting the press release out.
> >
> >Roger
> >
>
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>--
>
>Dr. Roger B. Marks <mailto:marks@nist.gov>
>Chair, IEEE 802.16 WG on Broadband Wireless Access <http://WirelessMAN.org
>
>National Wireless Electronic Systems Testbed (N-WEST) <
>http://nwest.nist.gov>
>National Institute of Standards and Technology/Boulder, CO
><http://www.nist.gov>
>tel: +1 303 497 3037 fax: +1 303 497 7828
>