OK, but how much of your “burrowing
around” time is it worth to save $2
??? For me that’s about 30
seconds on my time clock. I suspect
it’s even less on yours.
Let’s
assume that Pat’s worst fear comes true and that the downloads go down by
50%. Is there anyone out there who
thinks that an extra $500K/year wouldn’t be enough to make this program a big
winner ???
Big
enough where we might be able to get them to go DOWN from the 6-month hold-back
to three, and agree to leave the older version available until the new draft
made available for free download.
Who
actually believes that we can raise anywhere close to $500K from corporate
sponsorships in this terribly lean market ??? Chalk it up as “an idea whose time has
past” !!!
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz)
Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Ph:
(425) 865-2443
Fx:
(425) 865-6721
Email:
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original
Message-----
From: Geoff
Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:28
PM
To:
pat_thaler@agilent.com
Cc:
Rigsbee, Everett O; p.nikolich@ieee.org; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++ SEC EMAIL BALLOT
+++ Get IEEE 802(tm) program re commendation
Pat-
At
11:18 AM 4/29/02 -0600, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote:
Buzz,
It may be inaccurate to
assume that the number of downloads will stay the
same if one charges a fee.
I suspect that some people download pretty
casually because it is free. I
know that I sometimes download from Get802
because it is the easiest way to
get a current standard. IEL takes more key
strokes to get to the point where
one searches for the standard includes all
the old editions so you have to
look through the list for the right one. If
Get802 wasn't free, then I would
probably download from IEL or my meeting
disk.
I agree,
although the time that it took to download 802.3 was not trivial even over a
LAN.
In that vein, the IEEE should not assume that all of those downloads
represented a lost revenue sale. Obviously, if the "cost" to retrieve my
purchased copy falls below the "free" download "cost" then I will burrow around
and retrieve my purchased copy.
Any attempt to fund the program through
fees on downloads should assume a
significant drop in downloads (maybe as
high as 50%).
Pat
Geoff
-----Original Message-----
From:
Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Friday, April
26, 2002 2:40 PM
To: 'p.nikolich@ieee.org'; 'IEEE802'
Subject: RE:
[802SEC] +++ SEC EMAIL BALLOT +++ Get IEEE 802(tm) program
re
commendation
Colleagues, I will vote DISAPPROVE on this
motion with the following strong
comments:
* I do not believe
the adjustment from 6-month hold to 12-month is in any
way acceptable,
particularly for standards such as 802.3 which are
frequently replaced with
an enhanced complete edition, since it will tend to
make those standards
almost continuously unavailable under the current
process. I might be
willing to consider this amendment if it also contained
the amendment that
during the black-out period, the previous version of the
standard would
continue to be available (with the appropriate warning that a
later edition
had been approved and could be purchased). But most of the
base
material of the standard has not changed and should not become
unobtainable
just because some new material was added. We're paying for
"Free
Standards" but we're getting "Unavailable Standards", which is not
such a
good deal in my book.
* I do not believe there is any compelling
evidence to justify further
restrictions to an already too-limited
program. The whole idea behind the 3
year trial period was to give us
time to gather some meaningful data on true
revenue impact. I think
just the sales of the new 802.3 edition alone may
very well cause a
significant adjustment in the ongoing revenue stream and
offset any temporary
shortfall which may have occurred.
* I would prefer that we
investigate other alternatives to ongoing funding
if there is indeed a net
shortfall, rather than hanging all our hopes on
corporate generosity, which
is certainly at low tide now during these lean
times. My company,
Boeing (#10 on Fortune 500), said, "Don't even ask!"
when approached on the
subject. 3-5 years ago there would have been plenty
of willing
sponsors, but today we're looking at nada. Times change, so
should our
strategies. A nominal fee (e.g. $2 - $5) charged for each
downloaded
copy would generate a significant amount of revenue per year when
the number
of copies being downloaded is running at 500K per year.
* Finally, I
think it's an extremely BAD negotiating tactic (and I do know
something about
this) to go to the bargaining table with an "acceptable
fallback position"
already pre-approved. It virtually guarantees you will
end-up
there. Instead you go in with exactly what you DO want, fight for
that
as hard as you can with no hint that there's an alternate plan. If
you
do ultimately reach a point of insurmountable impasse, then you withdraw
to
consider whether or not there is an acceptable "Plan B". Based on
all of
what went on during the negotiation, you may find that's there a much
better
Plan B to choose than what you might have thought going in. But
if we start
off with the acknowledgement that 12 months is OK, then that's
the best that
we will get. {They do read our email, you know.}
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO
Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Ph: (425)
865-2443
Fx: (425) 865-6721
Email:
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul
Nikolich [mailto:Paul.nikolich@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday,
April 26, 2002 5:13 AM
To: 'IEEE802'
Subject: [802SEC] +++ SEC EMAIL
BALLOT +++ Get IEEE 802(tm) program
recommendation
Dear
SEC,
This is an SEC email ballot on a recommendation to be made by the
IEEE 802
SEC to the IEEE-SA regarding the Get IEEE 802(tm) program as moved
by Geoff
Thompson, seconded by Bill Quackenbush.
The email ballot
opens on Friday April 26 9AM EDT and closes Friday May 3rd
5PM
EDT.
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As
a result of the extensive discussions between representatives of the
SEC
(Nikolich, Thompson, Frazier) and IEEE-SA staff (mostly Jerry Walker)
and
with some participation by Jim Carlo (who is on the BoG) I propose
the
following motion:
802 SEC Motion
Moved
by: Geoff Thompson, 1st Vice Chair
Second
by: Bill Quackenbush
That the following
choice be offered to the IEEE-SA regarding the "Get IEEE
802 (tm)"
program:
1) Extend the program as per the original agreement until the
next annual
review date (May 15, 2003). The following adjustment to the
original terms
would not negate this choice: Change of the new standard
hold-back period
from 6 months to 12 months.
802 approves continuation
of ongoing support for the program on a year by
calendar year basis at the
original rate of $75 per person per 802
registration.
2) Terminate the
program as of the annual review date (May 15, 2002). 802
would cease payment
of support
funds.
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Regards,
Paul
Nikolich
Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Project
email:
p.nikolich@ieee.org
cell: 857.205.0050
mail:
18 Bishops Lane, Lynnfield, MA 01940