RE: [802SEC] Review of 2003 802 CD-ROM content
Just to clarify ... it was my understanding that any
withdrawn documents to be included on the disk would
be in a "Withdrawn Documents" directory to make their
status clear.
Pat's comment below does not reitterate that, so I am
making this comment just as reminder of what I recall
the agreed intention to be ...
Regards,
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:26 PM
> To: p.nikolich@ieee.org; pat_thaler@agilent.com;
> gthompso@nortelnetworks.com; bob@bstormnetworks.com
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Review of 2003 802 CD-ROM content
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I don't have a definitve list.
>
> dot 2 I don't know its status
> dot 4 standards have been withdrawn
> dot 6 I don't know its status
> dot 7 is I believe due to be administratively withdrawn this
> year (assuming 802 takes no action to extend its life and as
> we have no broadband standards and the information in .7 is
> out of date, I don't expect us to take such action) but I
> don't think the withdrawal has occurred yet.
> dot 9 is I believe withdrawn
> dot 12 is withdrawn
>
> However, some of them such as 802.12 are dual publications of
> the ISO/IEC and IEEE standards. The IEEE standard was
> withdrawn but the ISO/IEC equivalent standard is still in
> force so the books are still published. The IEEE Online
> Catalog and Get802 sites do not give a clear indication of
> which standards are withdrawn. (There are documents on each
> that I'm sure have been withdrawn though some withdrawn
> documents have been removed.) Perhaps this is partly because
> they are still available as ISO documents but the description
> should have been updated to make the status clear to purchasers.
>
> The IEEE standards office ought to be able to tell us which
> standards have been withdrawn.
>
> I would include all the withdrawn standards on the disk. They
> don't take much space and it is hard to anticipate which may
> have some relevance to a standards developer.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:Paul.nikolich@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: pat_thaler@agilent.com; gthompso@nortelnetworks.com;
> bob@bstormnetworks.com
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Review of 2003 802 CD-ROM content
>
>
> Pat,
>
> Could you do me a favor and compile a list of all the withdrawn or
> 'nearly-withdrawn' standard documents that we want to put on
> the CD-ROM
> (dot2, dot4, dot6, dot7, dot9, dot12, others??) and send it
> to me and Bob
> O'Hara?
>
> I'm at the Stds Board meetings this week and I'd like to give
> a the list to
> Jerry Walker to ensure that they get included in the CDROM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of
> pat_thaler@agilent.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:05 PM
> To: pat_thaler@agilent.com; gthompso@nortelnetworks.com;
> bob@bstormnetworks.com
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Review of 2003 802 CD-ROM content
>
>
>
> BTW, I think the withdrawn standards are the 802.4, 802.9 and
> 802.12 documents. However, the IEEE 802.12 listing on Get802
> doesn't indicate that it has been withdrawn and both IEEE 802.9
> and IEEE 802.12 appear in the IEEE On-line Standards Catalog
> without any indication that they are withdrawn.
>
> I'm not sure what the status of 802.6 is. The dates on the standards
> are 1994 and 1995 so it seems that they must have been reaffirmed or
> withdrawn recently.
>
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 1:46 PM
> To: gthompso@nortelnetworks.com; bob@bstormnetworks.com
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Review of 2003 802 CD-ROM content
>
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> I thought about sending that question too, but decided not to
> bring it up.
>
> To the extent that we produce the CD so that 802 standards
> developers will be able to refer to the earlier standards
> to see how a particular problem was handled, to get examples
> of text for various situations, etc., the withdrawn standards
> are still useful for this purpose.
>
> It might be a good idea, assuming we include the withdrawn
> standards, to make sure it is clear which documents are withdrawn.
> (One way would be to put them under a separate Withdrawn directory.)
> That would prevent some possible mistakes like referencing a
> withdrawn standard.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:06 PM
> To: Bob O'Hara
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of 2003 802 CD-ROM content
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
> Is it our intention (or not) to include withdrawn (but presumably not
> superceded) standards in this collection?
> I'm actually willing to go either way on this.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> At 03:43 PM 8/28/2002 -0700, Bob O'Hara wrote:
>
> >Please review the list of documents, below, that are to be
> included on
> >the 2003 edition of the 802 CD-ROM. If a document is not on
> the list,
> >it will not appear on the CD-ROM. Please let me know if you have any
> >additions, deletions, or changes. Thanks for your attention to this!
> >
> >2003 802 Standards CD-ROM
> >Root:
> >License
> >802 operating rules
> >
> >802:
> >802-2001
> >
> >802.1:
> >11802-5-1997
> >15802-2-1995
> >15802-4-1994
> >15802-5-1998
> >802.1D-1998
> >802.1F-1993
> >802.1Q-1998
> >802.1t-2001
> >802.1u-2001
> >802.1v-2001
> >802.1W-2001
> >802.1X-2001
> >
> >802.2:
> >8802-2-1998
> >
> >802.3:
> >1802.3-2001
> >802.3-2000
> >802.3ae-2002
> >
> >802.3 Files:
> >DISTORTION-M.TXT
> >IEEE8023-LAG-MIB.TXT
> >SINEFIT-M.TXT
> >TABLE40_1.TXT
> >TABLE40_2.TXT
> >TABLE40_10.TXT
> >TABLE40_11.TXT
> >
> >802.4:
> >8802-4H-1997
> >8802-4-1990
> >
> >802.5:
> >8802-5-1998
> >8802-5-1998 amd 1
> >802.5c-1991
> >802.5t-2000
> >802.5W-2000
> >802.5v-2001
> >
> >802.6:
> >8802-6-1994
> >802.6ch-1993
> >802.6j-1995
> >802.6k-1992
> >
> >802.9:
> >8802-9-1996
> >802.9A-1995
> >802.9C-1995
> >802.9D-1995
> >
> >802.10:
> >802.10-1998
> >802.10A-1999
> >802.10C-1998
> >
> >802.11:
> >8802-11-1999
> >802.11a-1999
> >802.11b-1999
> >802.11d-2001
> >802.11b-cor1-2001
> >
> >802.11 Files:
> >Current MIB text file
> >Current SDL files(?)
> >
> >802.12:
> >8802-12-1998
> >802.12C-1998
> >
> >802.15:
> >802.15.1-2002
> >
> >802.16:
> >802.16-2001
> >802.16.2-2001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> >Bob O'Hara
> >Black Storm Networks
> >110 Nortech Parkway
> >San Jose, CA 95134-2307
> >
> >Phone: +1 408 941 0500
> >Mobile: +1 408 218 4025
> >Fax: +1 810 277 4718
> >email: bob@bstormnetworks.com
> >
>