RE: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
Mike, Hey, you get your wish !!! The Hyatt Regency DFW for March 2003 is
just what you ordered:
1) It's super easy to get to, mid-continent, at a major hub for almost every
airline with free shuttle from every terminal.
2) It has FIVE (5) good restaurants on property plus they will provide an
additional buffet lunch and dinner service for really quick turn-around
meals.
3) They are providing free shuttle service to the Grapevine Shopping Mall
for those occasional evenings when you really do want to get out of the
hotel.
Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it !!! :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98324-2207
(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:54 AM
To: Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)
Cc: 'Bill Quackenbush'; Geoff Thompson; Tony Jeffree;
pat_thaler@agilent.com; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
This was my second 802 meeting in hawaii, the first
time I spent 20 odd hours in transit to then spend
4 days sitting in meeting rooms, only to return
on the red-eye with another 20 odd hour transit time.
This time I brought my family and we spent an extra
week afterwards. But, frankly, even for a "free"
vacation, it was a hell of a trek for them and we
broke up the travel over 2 days given the age of
my kids, so I guess I beat the 20 hour mark!
Overall, I come to 802 meetings to get too much work
done in too short a period of time. I care about meeting
space quality and availability and at least a few decent
restaurants in the vicinity. Frankly, I want locations
that are EASY to get to. I, nor my company do not
need to pay extra for a stunning property or location.
mike
"Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)" wrote:
>
> I also agree ...
>
> Carl
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:billq@attglobal.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:52 PM
> > To: Geoff Thompson
> > Cc: Tony Jeffree; pat_thaler@agilent.com; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
> >
> >
> >
> > While I am ignorant of meeting costs on the western side of
> > the Pacific
> > Rim, I am in general in agreement with the sentiments expressed by
> > Geoff, Tony and Pat.
> >
> > Please don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoy Hawaii as a vacation
> > destination and I enjoy Kauai in particular. The Hyatt
> > Regency Kauai is
> > a first class hotel. But our purpose is business and for
> > that purpose,
> > such venues are a "waste". A waste because we pay a significantly
> > higher rate and have little or no time to enjoy what we pay
> > extra for.
> > For those who arrive early, stay late or just skip some of
> > the meetings,
> > a venue like Kauai is a low cost or free vacation. For those who do
> > none of those, it is a waste.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > wlq
> >
> > Geoff Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > Given the high costs of having it in Hawaii (and possibly
> > Japan) we could
> > > probably net people ahead by having it in Australia, New
> > Zealand or Korea.
> > >
> > > If we were really doing this in Hawaii for (1) business and (2) the
> > > convenience of folks from the Far East then we would be
> > having the meetings
> > > on Oahu. Let's not kid ourselves. we come here for the
> > resort factor,
> > > appropriate or not.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > At 08:24 AM 11/12/2002 +0000, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > >
> > > >At 01:21 12/11/2002 -0700, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Colleagues,
> > > >>
> > > >>The original rationale for meeting in Hawaii was to meet
> > our Pacific Rim
> > > >>attendees halfway once every two years. We reached this
> > decision many
> > > >>years ago after an unsuccessful search for economically
> > feasible venues
> > > >>in Australia, Japan, etc.
> > > >>
> > > >>The previous search was done before the recesion in Japan
> > and neighbors.
> > > >>Also, there have been new venues constructed since then.
> > For instance,
> > > >>the IETF had a meeting in Yokohama at the Yokohama Grand
> > > >>Inter-Continental Hotel. There is a Pan Pacific Hotel
> > across the street
> > > >>for overflow.
> > > >>
> > > >>Given the costs of meeting in Hawaii, the SEC should
> > investigate the
> > > >>possibility of meeting on the West side of the Pacific
> > instead of in the
> > > >>middle.
> > > >>
> > > >>Pat
> > > >
> > > >I agree.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Tony
> > > >
> >
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