FW: [802SEC] +++ SEC EMAIL BALLOT +++ MOTION: Authorize conditional forwarding of P802.11g/D6.1 to Sponsor Ballot

["Bob O'Hara" <bob@airespace.com>]

Stuart,

I can understand why you don't want to wait to March to forward to
Sponsor
ballot. What I don't understand is why this should be done with a
conditional approval. Why not wait until the recirculation in 802.11 has
completed and then do an email unconditional vote to forward to sponsor
ballot?

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart J. Kerry [mailto:stuart@ok-brit.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:04 PM
To: 'Roger B. Marks'; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Cc: 'Matthew Shoemake'
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++ SEC EMAIL BALLOT +++ MOTION: Authorize
conditional forwarding of P802.11g/D6.1 to Sponsor Ballot



Roger,

I believe that you observation may be indeed correct in the past. But I
feel that we should have some degree of flexibility here, with regards
to the enormous pressure that the 802.11 standard and the amendments is
having applied to it in the commercial market place, especially in this
period of economic downturn. I am fully aware that this should not
influence the IEEE/SA process of the end product.

This said, WE WILL NOT allow a sub-standard poor quality amendment out
of 802.11 or indeed the recognized IEEE process before it is ready. I
have clarified this with my WG and TG, and have been assured, and
verified myself that this amendment is ready to go. Careful proven
process has taken place with the 802.11g amendment.

Respectfully,

Stuart


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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Roger B.
Marks
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 13:25
To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ SEC EMAIL BALLOT +++ MOTION: Authorize
conditional forwarding of P802.11g/D6.1 to Sponsor Ballot



I don't ever recall seeing a Conditional Approval email ballot. I
think that Conditional Approval was invented to cover the case in
which a ballot is not quite finished at the time of an SEC meeting.
If we aren't in a meeting, the SEC is normally asked to review the
ballot after it closes.

Roger


At 11:47 AM -0500 03/01/25, Paul Nikolich wrote:
>Dear SEC,
>
>This is a 10 day SEC email ballot to make a determination on the
>below SEC motion to conditionally forward IEEEE P802.11g/D6.1 to
>LMSC Sponsor Ballot, moved by Stuart Kerry, seconded by Mat Sherman.
>
>The email ballot opens on Saturday January 25 12noon EST and
>closes Tuesday February 4 12noon EST.
>
>Please direct your responses to the SEC reflector and to Matthew
>Shoemake, chair of the 802.11g task group.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>
>
>Subject:  SEC Motion: Conditionally forward P802.11g/D6.1 for Sponsor
Ballot.
>Moved: Stuart Kerry    Second: Matthew Sherman
>
>MOTION: To conditionally forward IEEE P1802.11g/D6.1 ("Draft
>Ammendment for Further Higher data rate extension in the 2.4GHz
>band") for Sponsor Ballot.
>
>Explanation:
>
>The Working Group 802.11g Letter Ballot 50 ("To forward IEEE
>P802.11g/D5.1 for Sponsor Ballot") ran from November 27, 2002 to
>January 8, 2003.
>
>The results were:
>Approve: 256   Disapprove: 34   Approval Ratio: 88% [75% required]
>Abstain: 18    Ballots: 308     Elligble Voters:321     Return
>Ratio:    96% [50% required]
>Comments (no votes) : 185
>
>The Ballot Resolution Committee met January 13-17th, and as a result
>several voters confirmed they would change their votes based on
>D6.1.  The updated vote tally is as follows:
>
>Approve: 281   Disapprove: 9   Approval Ratio: 97% [75% required]
>Abstain: 18    Ballots: 308     Elligble Voters:321     Return
>Ratio:    96% [50% required]
>Comments (unresolved no votes): 57
>
>Responses to the comments developed by a Ballot Resolution
>Committee, and the comments, responses and draft P802.11g/D6.1 are
>in the process of being recirculated (January 20, 2003 to February
>6, 2003).
>
>For a full report of the Letter Ballot, see the attached Excel
>Spreadsheet
>
>* Comments that support the remaining disapprove votes and Working
>Group responses.
>
>The NO comments are contained in the attached spread sheet. There
>are 57 total comments. Of these comments Task Group G counter 29 of
>them and rejected 28 of them. There are many duplicate comments, and
>they have all been included for completeness.
>
>* Remaining schedule for balloting and comment resolution if new no
>votes are received
>
>These will be handled (if necessary) at the March Plenary session
>(March 10-14 2003).
>
>* Additional Information
>
>IEEE 802.11 document 11-02-714 tracks the progress of 802.11g
>voting. The document is attached.
>
>* Clarifying Questions
>
>What didn't IEEE 802.11 ask for conditional approval at the ExCom
>meeting in November 2002?
>
>At the November 2002 meeting, the results of Letter Ballot 50 were
>not back yet, so the requiremetns to introduce the motion to ExCom
>could not be met at that time.
>
>What's the harm in waiting until the March 2003 session to vote on
>this?
>
>There is enough time between the January 2003 session and the March
>2003 session to do a Working Group Recirculation Ballot and a
>Sponsor Ballot and have the results back by the March 2003 session.
>Doing so will allow IEEE 802.11g to make quick progress. Waiting
>until the March 2003 session may delay IEEE 802.11g at least two
>months.
>
>
>Attachment converted: TiDrive:802.11g-NO-Comments.xls (XLS4/XCEL)
>(0014F1CD) Attachment converted:
>TiDrive:11-02-714r4-G-TGg_Balloting_His
>(XLS4/XCEL) (0014F1CE)
>Attachment converted: TiDrive:11-02-714r4-G-TGg_Balloting_H 1
>(XLS4/XCEL) (0014F1CF)