FW: [802SEC] Ballot periods
Bob-
I believe that we screwed up on this one. I thoroughly support your
effort.
The SA staff is in no better shape than we are in this area and remember
that, in spite of VERY long standing practice we had NO FOUNDATION
WHATSOEVER in our OR/P&P for any recirc to less than 30 days for the
majority of the last 20 years.
It is my position that Roger was incorrect when he said that we should
just
defer to whatever staff decides to do. This is an area where we could
lose
an appeal. I believe that the SA should be providing balloting services
to
Sponsors under Sponsor rules. Sponsors, in turn, are supposed to get
their
P&P approved by AudCom. It is not a rigorous system. Paul ultimately is
on
the hook for the decision.
I would like to take him off the hook...
...assure that there is adequate time for review
...and remove any uncertainty regarding our system.
My position will be that, with an underlying rationale to see that the
ballot is in hand for at least 10 days, our rules need to say that all
802
ballot (i.e. Working Group and LMSC) recirculations will be at least 15
days from the timestamp of the announcing e-mail until the close of
ballot.
Thanks for grabbing the ball on this.
Geoff
At 12:41 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, Grow, Bob wrote:
>Colleagues:
>
>This is to inform you that I intend to propose a rules change to
enforce
>minimum ballot periods for our Sponsor ballots. I also intend to raise
>the issue of ballot periods to ProCom for all SA ballots. It is now
clear
>to me that the ballot center does not enforce any particular ballot
>period. (I also can't find any rules/P&P that requires them to enforce
>any arbitrary minimum.) I believe the ballot center operates to a
default
>-- the ballot being open for some period of time on 10 dates in the US
>eastern time zone (probably restricted by the announcement being sent
>during their working hours). In an exchange trying to determine how
the
>ballot center counted "days", I postulate what I thought was a
theoretical
>question asking if the period would be have to be 10 days (i.e., 10 *
24
>hours) or only 10 calendar dates. At the time the question was posed,
I
>thought the ballot center was enforcing a minimum ballot period what I
>got in response was an offer for a SB recirculation period a day
shorter
>(i.e., 8.xxx days).
>
>I just received a particularly onerous example of what is being allowed
by
>the ballot center. I received the announcement slightly before noon
>Pacific Time. The ballot closes on February 2 at 11:59 pm EST.
>
>So, for me, I have 9.375 days to respond (and four of those days are on
a
>weekend). For many international participants, they realistically will
>have much less time with this ballot (many won't see the announcement
>until their Monday morning). If one or two of you would like to review
my
>proposed rules change text prior to distribution to the SEC I would
>appreciate a response.
>
>Bob Grow
>Chair, IEEE 802.3 Working Group
>bob.grow@ieee.org