Tony,
Perhaps you have
already stated this, but what do you do in the following situation for your
group?
Somebody attends the
first WG meeting. They then don’t show up ever again. At what
point do you roll them off the membership?
Mat
Matthew
Sherman
Vice Chair,
IEEE 802
Technology
Consultant
Communications
Technology Research
AT&T Labs
- Shannon Laboratory
Room B255,
Building 103
180 Park
Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park,
NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1
(973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973)
360-5877
EMAIL:
mjsherman@att.com
-----Original
Message-----
From: Tony
Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:17
AM
To: Paul
Nikolich
Cc:
IEEE802
Subject: Re: [802SEC]
+++SEC EMAIL BALLOT+++ Email Ballot: Motion for WG Initial membership
interpretation
Paul -
I believe that what we are
being asked for here is to interpret what the current membership rules mean;
not what they should mean, or what we might like them to mean in the future,
or to second guess their intent. It is my view that the proposed
interpretation does not properly reflect what the current rules mean, and that
(as I have previously indicated) the only part of the current rules on
membership that is not ambiguous, or contradictory, or open to conflicting
interpretation, or just plain absurd, is the part that states that the Chair
has the discretion to grant membership.
That being the case, I have to
vote "disapprove".
Regards,
Tony
At 20:23 14/04/2003
-0400, Paul Nikolich wrote:
Dear SEC,
This is a 15 day SEC
email ballot on a Motion to Interpret the LMSC P&P rule on Working Group
Initial Membership as moved by Mat Sherman and seconded by Geoff
Thompson.
The email ballot opens on Monday April 14, 2003 9PM EDT and
closes Thursday April 29, 2003 9PM EDT.
Please direct your responses to
the SEC reflector with a CC directly to me (p.nikolich@ieee.org).
Regards,
--Paul
Nikolich
----- Original Message -----
From: mjsherman@research.att.com
To: paul.nikolich@att.net
Cc: thompson@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:57
PM
Subject: Motion for WG
Initial membership interpretation
Paul,
I wish to formally make a motion
concerning the interpretation of the current initial membership rules.
The motion I would like to make is as
follows:
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"Motion that until the P&P
revision titled "WG membership" being balloted starting March 27th, 2003 is
completed (estimated to occur at the end of the July 2003 IEEE 802 Plenary
meeting) the line in the LMSC P&P section 5.1.3.2 titled "Retention"
reading:
’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of
the last four Plenary session meetings.’
Should be interpreted as
reading:
’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of
the last four Plenary sessions. (An individual who attains membership by
participation and attendance at the first meeting of a new Working Group is
assumed to have the right to retain that membership by the granting of credit
for 'full virtual attendance' at the plenary session that would be immediately
previous to the first working group plenary
session.)’”
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Geoff Thompson helped develop this
motion, and has agreed to second it. Note that based on recent
discussions it is somewhat different than the motion I said I would first make
on the reflector. This motion maximally protects the voting rights of
initial members by ensuring retention of their rights through the first 4
plenary sessions. We believe this is the motion that has the greatest
chance of success. If this fails, we may want make a second motion which
we would want to complete before the end of the upcoming wireless interim
session. Since the motion is reasonably concise we would prefer a 15 day
ballot period for this interpretation to allow time for a second round if
needed.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman
Vice Chair, IEEE
802
Technology
Consultant
Communications Technology
Research
AT&T Labs - Shannon
Laboratory
Room B255, Building 103
180 Park Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park, NJ
07932-0971
Phone: +1 (973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973) 360-5877
EMAIL: mjsherman@att.com
Regards,
Tony