Re: [802SEC] +++SEC EMAIL BALLOT+++ Email Ballot: Motion for WG Initial membership interpretation
I vote DISAPPROVE.
While there is clearly a problem with the LMSC P&P in the area of WG
membership retention when the membership is acquired by attendance at
the first session of a new WG, this proposed solution has a very
undesirable and unnecessary side effect.
The EC already observed that there is a problem with the time it takes
for the current membership retention policy to remove membership from
inactive members (it takes too long). This proposal will allow an
individual who attends a SINGLE session of the new WG to remain a member
of that WG for a year without ever attending another session.
Especially in light of the current problem of removing membership from
inactive members, this proposed interpretation/solution makes NO sense
to me and is clearly not desirable.
There is a simpler way of dealing with the issue without this ugly side
effect. Change the motion to:
Section 5.1.3.2 which reads
"Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the
last four Plenary session meetings. One duly constituted interim
Working Group or task group meeting may be substituted for one of
the two Plenary meetings."
shall be interpreted as reading
"Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the
last four Plenary sessions. One duly constituted interim
Working Group or task group meeting may be substituted for one of
the two Plenary meetings. This retention policy shall not be
applied to members of a new Working Group who acquired their
membership by attending the first session of the new Working Group
until after the closing of the first Plenary session immediately
following the first session of the new Working Group. Membership
in a new Working Group that is obtained in this manner is
automatically retained through the first Plenary session
immediately following the first session of the new Working Group."
This approach has the following advantages
1) It eliminates the absurdity of the current policy that gives
membership for participation at the first session and then
immediately cancels that membership after the first session as the
participation requirement of the retention policy cannot be met.
2) It preserves the membership of those who continue to participate
in the sessions of the new WG.
3) It quickly removes the membership of those who do not continue
to participate in the sessions of the new WG. It thereby reduces
the problem of achieving quorum at meetings and on ballots and also
reduces the motivation of individuals to show for just the opening
session to get voting rights.
Thanks,
wlq
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Paul Nikolich wrote:
Dear SEC,
This is a 15 day SEC email ballot on a Motion to Interpret the LMSC P&P
rule on Working Group Initial Membership as moved by Mat Sherman and
seconded by Geoff Thompson.
The email ballot opens on Monday April 14, 2003 9PM EDT and closes
Thursday April 29, 2003 9PM EDT.
Please direct your responses to the SEC reflector with a CC directly to
me (p.nikolich@ieee.org).
Regards,
--Paul Nikolich
----- Original Message -----
From: mjsherman@research.att.com
To: paul.nikolich@att.net
Cc: thompson@ieee.org
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:57 PM
Subject: Motion for WG Initial membership interpretation
Paul,
I wish to formally make a motion concerning the interpretation of the
current initial membership rules. The motion I would like to make is
as follows:
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"Motion that until the P&P revision titled "WG membership" being
balloted starting March 27th, 2003 is completed (estimated to occur at
the end of the July 2003 IEEE 802 Plenary meeting) the line in the LMSC
P&P section 5.1.3.2 titled "Retention" reading:
’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last
four Plenary session meetings.’
Should be interpreted as reading:
’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last
four Plenary sessions. (An individual who attains membership by
participation and attendance at the first meeting of a new Working Group
is assumed to have the right to retain that membership by the
granting of credit for 'full virtual attendance' at the plenary session
that would be immediately previous to the first working group plenary
session.)’”
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