Re: [802SEC] Fwd: Re: Enet dinner--expense approval, motion request
Geoff -
My point has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the registry can
stand it (and as you observe, it clearly can), nor with whether the 802
attendees at the dinner are paying registration fees (which they clearly are).
The point is that to the rest of the 802 attendees (that are paying a
registration fee, but are not invited to the dinner), this will look like a
freebie to a privileged few, at predominantly their expense (not ours), and
with microscopically thin justification (other than that the few are in a
position to make the decision to do it).
The justification for covering the expense of feeding our guests is clear
At least with cookies, there is nominally equal access to all that end up
paying the tab.
Regards,
Tony
At 13:33 14/07/2003 -0700, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>Tony-
>
>At 06:05 PM 7/14/2003 +0100, Tony Jeffree wrote:
>
>>I will be joining Roger in disapproving such a motion if anyone makes it
>>in its current form. I think it is somewhat unbecoming for the SEC to
>>vote to buy itself $1500 worth of dinner out of the fees paid by the 802
>>membership.
>
>I don't completely disagree but I would point out that the attending
>members of 802 will be paying registration fees themselves. By my count
>those attending the dinner will be paying well over $6000. I believe also
>that the current state of the treasury is such that it can tolerate this.
>
>Geoff
>
>
>>I would be happy to vote in favour of a motion to cover the cost of
>>providing dinner for our guests out of SEC funds, and, like Roger, would
>>be happy to pay my own share.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Tony
>>
>>At 10:44 14/07/2003 -0600, Roger B. Marks wrote:
>>
>>>I will be voting Disapprove on such a motion. If the motion fails, I
>>>will be happy to personally cover my share (including my share of the
>>>costs for all the invited guests).
>>>
>>>And, by the way, who is the sixth panelist? We first heard Paul
>>>Nikolich, Geoff Thompson, and Bob Metcalfe. Last week, the names Ron
>>>Crane and David Boggs leaked out.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>>Geoff,
>>>>
>>>>Since a 10 day email ballot wouldn't close until after the start of next
>>>>week's plenary session, I suggest the SEC make a decision on the motion
>>>>during the opening SEC meeting during your 'tutorial' agenda item.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>--Paul
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Geoff Thompson" <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>
>>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>>>>Cc: <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>; <billq@attglobal.net>;
>>>><stds-802-sec@ieee.org>; <DawnS@facetoface-events.com>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:35 AM
>>>>Subject: [802SEC] Fwd: Re: Enet dinner--expense approval, motion request
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul-
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to make the following SEC Motion to cover the costs of a
>>>>> dinner for the SEC and special guests to be held before the Ethernet 30
>>>>> Year Retrospective. The guest list will be the members of the SEC (plus
>>>>the
>>>>> Vice Chairs of 802.20), the six panel speakers, the officers of
>>>>> 802.3 plus
>>>>> the 2 former chairs, I would also like to include (per you
>>>>> suggestion) Jim
>>>>> Carlo (IEEE-SA President Elect) and Houlin Zhao (ITU-T Director of the
>>>>> Telecom Standards Bureau). The guest list totals 31. Face-to-Face
>>>>estimated
>>>>> $25-$30 per head. I will like a little wiggle room in the motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moved:
>>>>> That an amount not to exceed $1500 be authorized to cover the costs
>>>>> for a
>>>>> catered dinner at the meeting hotel for guests who will be speaking
>>>>> at the
>>>>> Ethernet Retrospective, the SEC, officers of 802.3, etc.
>>>>> Moved by: Geoff Thompson
>>>>> Second: Bill Quackenbush
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:53:13 -0700
>>>>> >From: Bill Quackenbush <billq@attglobal.net>
>>>>> >To: Paul Nikolich <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>>>>> >CC: "Thompson, Geoff [SC100:321:EXCH]"<gthompso@americasm06.nt.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: Enet dinner--expense approval
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Yes it makes sense and it is required by our P&P as it is not a normal
>>>>> >plenary session expense. If Geoff would get the cost estimate from F2
>>>>> >F and make the motion, I will second it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >wlq
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Paul Nikolich wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Geoff,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Given all the scrutiny we are putting on financial openess, you (or
>>>>> > > Bill) should make a motion to have the expenses for the Enet dinner
>>>> > > > approved at the opening EC meeting to make sure we are squeekey
>>>> > > > clean. Does this make sense to you?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > --Paul
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > |=========================================|
>>>>> | Geoffrey O. Thompson |
>>>>> | Vice Chair, IEEE 802 |
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>>
>>Regards,
>>Tony
>
>Regards,
>Tony