RE: [802SEC] Final CD-ROM content
I have a BIG problem with the people who do the
work of developing these standards not having
access to the product of their work.
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bob@airespace.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:48 PM
> To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> Cc: pat_thaler@agilent.com; gthompso@nortelnetworks.com;
> y.hosang@ieee.org; j.t.walker@ieee.org; millardo@dominetsystems.com;
> p.nikolich@ieee.org
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Final CD-ROM content
>
>
>
> Geoff, Pat,
>
> I think our hands are tied here. If I understand it
> correctly, there is
> an agreement between IEEE and 802 that limits the distribution of the
> "editions" that are not approved, balloted standards. I know that the
> "editions" will not appear in the "Get IEEE 802" program. But, I was
> not aware that the agreement extended to the 802 CD-ROM. My
> discussion
> with Yvette and Jerry made it clear that their understanding of the
> agreement is that the "editions" are available only for sale and for
> distribution to the WG chairs and editors.
>
> We are also prevented from redistributing the ISO/IEC versions of our
> own standards, by agreement between IEEE and ISO/IEC if I understand
> correctly. The fact that we have distributed the ISO/IEC versions on
> past CD-ROMs is not going to hold any water, today.
>
> If we always want to be able to distribute the latest versions of our
> documents on the CD-ROM, I would think that 802's only course
> of action
> would be to stop forwarding new and revised standards and
> amendments to
> ISO/IEC, and to conduct revision ballots frequently, as does 802.3, to
> obviate the need for the "editions".
>
> -Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:01 PM
> To: gthompso@nortelnetworks.com; Bob O'Hara
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; y.hosang@ieee.org; j.t.walker@ieee.org;
> millardo@dominetsystems.com
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Final CD-ROM content
>
>
> I agree very much with what Geoff said. We have just been balloting
> additions to IEEE 802.3 which operate on text originally from
> 802.3 with
> changes from 802.3ae (which hasn't been integrated yet into
> an edition).
> It is significantly extra work to have to be comparing
> between the three
> documents all the time. Once the consolidated edition is available, we
> should make it available to our voters.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Bob O'Hara
> Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; y.hosang@ieee.org; j.t.walker@ieee.org;
> millardo@dominetsystems.com
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Final CD-ROM content
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
> I have a big problem with this.
>
> All of the ISO/IEC version of 802 Standards have always been
> distributed
> in
> the past. They have always been a joint publication. The issue of
> something
> being an ISO standard but only an IEEE "edition" has never
> been an issue
> or
> a barrier.
>
> Also, 802 voters should not be burdened with the extra work
> of flipping
> back and forth between multiple documents when referring to
> the current
> standard in order to formulate their ballot comments.
>
> The work that they do on responsible review of our drafts is already
> onerous enough. Both by virtue of the size of the drafts and
> the size of
>
> the established standards that they have to judge for technical
> integration.
>
> Bottom line, I think this is a bad idea in that (1) it takes away
> something
> we had in the past and (2) is counterproductive to good standards
> development.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> At 01:55 PM 10/13/2003 -0700, Bob O'Hara wrote:
>
> >After discussion with Jerry and Yvette, I have revised the content of
> >the CD-ROM to contain only IEEE versions of documents, since
> IEEE does
> >not have the right to allow us to redistribute the ISO/IEC documents.
> I
> >have also removed the "editions" of the 802.1Q and 802.11-1999
> >documents, since these are not approved standards and the agreement
> with
> >802 is only for chairs and editors to have these documents without
> >purchasing them.
> >
> >Please review the content of the CD-ROM, below. Get back in
> touch with
> >me before close of business today, Pacific Daylight Time, if there is
> >something missing from the list. I will be burning the master CD-R
> >tonight and sending it to be reproduced tomorrow. This is your last
> >chance.
> >
> >Also, my apologies to Roger. I did receive updated
> information for the
> >CD-ROM for 802.16 and did not mention it in my earlier email.
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> >Bob O'Hara
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> >The list:
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