Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ compliance with IEEE-SA and IEEE CS Governance
Mat,
I've attached comments below.
I thought I'd submitted this before deadline, but
it seems that I made a mistake.
I'd still like to have these comments considered.
Roger
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I vote Disapprove. My ballot comments are:
[Comment 1]
I don't understand the note that says: "PreBallot
Comments (I believe these were accommodated in
the balloted wording of the text)." As far as I
can tell, the PDF under ballot does not
incorporate Geoff's comment, which would insert
"who meets the participation requirements." I
agree that this limitation should be inserted as
a descriptor of the individuals to whom the
rights apply. However, at the same time, I think
we should replace, rather than add to, the
descriptor that the draft uses: "with a direct
and material interest". There is nothing in the
P&P that limits participation to those "with a
direct and material interest". We don't have any
way to verify that, and we shouldn't.
Also, I would like to remove "which means that"
from that sentence, instead splitting it into
two. We shouldn't use the P&P to define "openness
and due process".
[Remedy 1] Change:
"For the development of standards, openness and
due process must apply, which means that any
individual with a direct and material interest
has a right to participate by:"
to:
"For the development of standards, openness and
due process must apply. Any individual meeting
the participation requirements defined herein:"
[Comment 2]
I think we should delete the last sentence: "In
addition to openness, due process requires
balance, i.e., the standards development process
should have a balance of interests and shall not
be dominated by any single interest category."
Within 802, we do not track interest categories,
and we shouldn't. These are tracked for IEEE-SA
Sponsor Ballot, but those rules are defined
elsewhere and don't need to be repeated in our
P&P. If we did leave this statement, we'd need to
qualify it so that it applies only to Sponsor
Ballot and not to Working Group draft development.
[Remedy 2] Delete "In addition to openness, due
process requires balance, i.e., the standards
development process should have a balance of
interests and shall not be dominated by any
single interest category."
Roger
>Dear EC members,
>
>There is only ONE DAY left to get in you votes
>on this ballot. Below you will find current
>status on the ballot. The ballot closes at
>October 11, 2004 11:59 PM EDT. Please try to
>get your votes in today!
>
>Note that I have voted "approve" with comments.
>I have additional recommended changes that I
>feel are required to be in full conformance with
>IEEE-SA / IEEE CS governance. I have attached a
>powerpoint file that summarizes my efforts, and
>a marked up draft of our current P&P that
>includes the changes I am proposing at this time.
>
>Thanks & Regards,
>Mat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Voters DNV DIS DNV APP ABS Comments Provided?
>---------------------------------------------------------
>00 Paul Nikolich
>APP No
>01 Mat Sherman APP Yes
>02 Howard Frazier DNV
>03 Buzz Rigsbee DNV
>04 Bob O'Hara DNV
>05 John Hawkins
>06 Tony Jeffree APP No
>07 Bob Grow DNV
>08 Stuart Kerry DNV
>09 Bob Heile DNV
>10 Roger Marks DNV
>11 Mike Takefman DNV
>12 Carl Stevenson APP No
>13 Steve Shellhammer DNV
>14 Jerry Upton DNV
>15 Ajay Rajkumar DNV
>---+++---+++---+++---+++---+++---+++---+++---+++---+++---
>TOTALS DIS DNV APP ABS
>total: -00- -11- -04- -00-
>
>
>
>
>
>PreBallot Comments (I believe these were
>accommodated in the balloted wording of the
>text):
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)
>[carlstevenson@AGERE.COM]
>Tue 7/20/2004 1:28 PM
>
>Geoff's comments are good, and I would echo them.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Geoff Thompson [gthompso@nortelnetworks.com]
>Mon 7/19/2004 1:11 AM
>
>I feel that the text that opens things up completely could be used against us.
>Therefore, please consider the following change
>(If I had a vote it would be DISAPPROVE to get this change in.)
>From:
>"These Operating Procedures outline the orderly
>transaction of business of this committee. For
>the
>development of standards, openness and due
>process must apply, which means that any
>individual with a
>direct and material interest has a right to participate by:
>a) expressing a position and its basis,
>b) having that position considered, and
>c) appealing if adversely affected.
>Due process allows for equity and fair play. In
>addition to openness, due process requires
>balance, i.e.,
>the standards development process should have a
>balance of interests and shall not be dominated
>by any
>single interest category."
>To:
>"These Operating Procedures outline the orderly
>transaction of business of this committee. For
>the
>development of standards, openness and due
>process must apply, which means that any
>individual with a
>direct and material interest, who meets the
>participation requirements has a right to
>participate by:
>a) expressing a position and its basis,
>b) having that position considered, and
>c) appealing if adversely affected.
>Due process allows for equity and fair play. In
>addition to openness, due process requires
>balance, i.e.,
>the standards development process should have a
>balance of interests and shall not be dominated
>by any
>single interest category."
>Else we could have folks claiming they can
>either ballot or walk in and speak without going
>through the normal requirements (which are not
>discriminatory) of either meeting registration
>requirements or joining the ballot pool/group.
>
>I think we can add this text with no problem with the IEEE.
>
>
>
>
>
>Matthew Sherman, PhD
>Senior Member Technical Staff
>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Sherman,
>Matthew J. (US SSA)
>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:32 PM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ compliance
>withIEEE-SA and IEEE CS Governance
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>Just a reminder that this closes in about 1
>week. Please get you votes and any comments in.
>I'm pretty tied up this week, but will get out a
>summary of the current voting and comments on
>Friday.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mat
>
>Matthew Sherman, PhD
>Senior Member Technical Staff
>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:08 PM
>> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>> Cc: 'Paul Nikolich'; 'Jim Moore.';
>>'m.nielsen@ieee.org'; 'd.ringle@ieee.org'; 'Bob
>>Pritchard'; steve_mills@hp.com
>> Subject: +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++
>>compliance with IEEE-SA and IEEE CS Governance
>>
>> Dear EC members,
>> Attached you will find the text for an LMSC
>>P&P revision ballot on compliance with IEEE-SA
>>and IEEE-CS governance. This ballot was
>>approved at the Friday July 16, 2004 EC
>>meeting. The text is identical to that
>>presented at the meeting. The purpose and
>>rationale for the ballot are as given in the
>>attached ballot document.
>> Ballot Opens: September 10, 2004
>> Ballot Closes: October 11, 2004 11:59 PM EDT
>> WG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision
>>ballot to your WG, and invite them to comment
>>through you. Note that I am actively reviewing
>>governance documents and will provide feedback
>>on the reflector during this ballot and the
>>following comment resolution period.
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Mat
>>
>> << File: 802.0-Compliance_with_SA&CS_Governance-P&P_Revision_ballot.pdf >>
> >
>> Matthew Sherman, PhD
>> Vice Chair, IEEE 802
>> Senior Member Technical Staff
>> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>> Mail Stop 11B01
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> > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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