Bob,
I guess I don’t distinguish between
a convention and a conference. I agree we could rely on IEEE conference
services, but I believe they are rather expensive. The point is that as
the meetings grow larger, the need for larger venues increases. If we are
to stay under one roof so that we may easily float between groups, I have no
problem using a conference / convention center. I don’t mind having
an “off site” hotel. I think keeping our meeting together is
more important. I am suggesting we should not rule out the use of
conference and convention centers in the future.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On
Behalf Of Bob O'Hara
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005
4:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email
Ballot+++ENDS 13 JAN+++motion to hold plenary sessions outside NA
I disagree that we should begin to behave
as a convention. It is our work as engineers developing international
standards that brings participation from around the globe. The IEEE holds
conferences around the world, not just in North America.
If 802 needs legal or contracts help for international venues, we should be
able to make use of the resources of the IEEE for this, not requiring a
"sponsor" or host company that is local to the venue.
While we may have grown to a size that
requires we begin to use convention facilities to house our meetings, I think
that is an issue that the meeting planners can address on a session by session
basis.
-Bob
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Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004
4:58 AM
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Buzz and Roger,
More for the sake of debate than because I
support a specific position, I will put forth the premise that as we grow
larger we should in fact act more like a convention, and less like a small
committee of engineers. At what point do the financial responsibilities
become too much to reasonably expect companies to host an 802 session? Is
it 1500 participants, 2000, or 10,000? I don’t know the answer, but
I think we have already crossed the line in the US where finding hosts and
convenient venues is easy. Perhaps I’m nuts, but I’m starting
to favor using actual convention facilities and inconveniencing all 802
participant equally, rather than have different groups within 802
inconvenienced (perhaps disproportionately over time). This would greatly
simplify the hotel issues I believe at the price of longer commutes to our
actual meeting locations. I did not enjoy walking to the convention
center in San Antonio,
but it certainly was not the end of the world.
There seems to be some sort of premise
that domestic meeting have less problems than international meetings. I
can’t remember a meeting in recent times that I would say ran
“smoothly”. Think of the planning leading up to the San Antonio meeting?
Anyone want to Visit the Dallas Airport Hyatt again? Given our size
and fact that we are mostly all volunteers, I think we do a pretty good job.
But I hardly think things are smooth here in the US. I don’t have any
international examples to compare to, but based on the couple of international
interims I’ve attended, I don’t see that they were substantially
more difficult to execute than domestic interims. I agree that they will
generally be more expensive (at least for US participants).
Personally, I favor setting up a circuit
of places that have geographic diversity, and that we know from experience to
have good facilities. I don’t mind going back to the same place say
every 3 years. But some of those places I feel should be in Europe, and
some in Asia. We have substantial
constituencies from these areas, and we should hold meetings there. As
far as a host company, I think requiring a host is unreasonable due to
financial liabilities etc. I don’t mind accepting a Host’s
invitation to assist in the process of meeting planning as long as there is no
perception of bias (it’s a lot easier to stack a meeting in your home
country!). If we do open things up for hosts internationally, I think we
should do so domestically as well. I see no reason to allow one and not
the other. I’d be more receptive to formal government invites and
assistance than to invites from companies. I do think we are a
conventioneers, and not just engineers. We should act as such. I
think that we want to select venues that are convenient and cost effective for
our attendees (or should I say as equally inconvenient and costly are
reasonable for everyone involved).
Anyway, I may change my mind on everything
written above, but they are my thoughts at the moment.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Rigsbee,
Everett O
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004
10:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email
Ballot+++ENDS 13 JAN+++motion to hold plenary sessions outside NA
Paul, I will vote NO on this motion
unless the following amendment is made to the motion:
"Beginning in calendar year 2008 IEEE
802 will hold at least one full 802 Session (Plenary or Interim) outside of
North America for those years in which a local host company or government
agency agrees in writing to sponsor the IEEE 802 session and provide logistical
support for obtaining acceptable hotel and service contract arrangements and
coordinating with local vendors as required. Financial support for the
Session would also be welcomed but is not required if contracted arrangements
can be accomplished without violation of IEEE 802 fiscal responsibility
guidelines."
Without the committment of a serious local
sponsor, I think we are committing to do something that may damage both our
reputation for effectiveness and our world-wide credibility. As Geoff
pointed out, being an international organization has very little to do with
where you hold the session, but what you do to facilitate participation by all
who care to do so. If we make serious efforts to welcome and support
participation from our non-US participants, we will continue to be viewed as a
truly international organization for years to come. And if we also can
hold some session in non-North American locations that will help too. But
it is not a litmus-test for internationality. If we can get sponsors, we
can do international venues. If they don't care enough to volunteer, then
we should not have to suffer the consequences.
Let's encourage partnering with our non-US
colleagues to make IEEE 802 a truly successful international SDO.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
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From: Paul
Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004
1:02 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email
Ballot+++ENDS 13 JAN+++motion to hold plenary sessions outside NA
Dear EC members,
This is a email ballot to make a determination on the below motion.
Motion:
"I move that beginning calendar year 2008, at least one 802
plenary session shall be held outside of North America
in each calendar year."
Moved: Bob O'Hara
Second: Jerry Upton
The ballot opens 6pm ET Tuesay 28 December 2004 and
closes Thursday 13 January 2005.
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