I vote approve with the same comments and conditions as Carl.
Jerry Upton
In a message dated 4/16/2005 8:58:57 AM Central Standard Time, wk3c@WK3C.COM writes:
Since Geoff doesn't have a vote, I will stand in support of comments and his proposed wording modification below.
I believe that what Tony is trying to accomplish with this proposed P&P revision is a good and appropriate thing (I believe I seconded the motion to bring this to ballot ...)
I also believe that Bob Grow's proposed language, as strengthened by Geoff's suggestion, is a clear and explicit way of accomplishing what I understood to be Tony's intent and what I support.
Thus, like Pat, I would vote approve, conditioned on the acceptance of Bob Grow's suggested changes, as improved by Geoff's comments below.
Regards,
Carl
Colleagues-
Though I do not have a vote I would concur with the addition of text as asked for by Bob Grow. I would further ask that the text be beefed up from:
- 3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals. No LMSC PAR may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting unless approved in advance by the EC.
To:
- 3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals. No LMSC PAR may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting unless approved in advance by a specific vote of the EC taken in session at an 802 plenary.
Rationale:
I think that putting a PAR forward on other than an individual basis is a sufficiently serious matter that it should not be done by a mail ballot of the EC. It should only happen after the matter has been thoroughly vetted in the several Working Groups at an 802 plenary with the resulting vote taking place at the closing EC meeting. (I trust the process enough to believe that if it came up on Monday that it would get tabled until Friday.)
Thank you for your consideration.
Geoff
At 01:37 PM 4/13/2005 -0600, Pat Thaler wrote:
I can approve with the changes Bob suggests.
Otherwise I would have to disapprove.
The IEEE-SA rules and proceedures for ballot group formation have shifted over time. I wouldn't want to have to track future changes in our rules. We should therefore include their process by reference rather than attempting to describe it.
Regards,
Pat
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG%5DOn Behalf Of Grow, Bob
Sent: Wednesday, 06 April, 2005 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5
- Balloting Groups
In hindsight, I hit send too quickly. I probably deleted some
worthwhile information from 7.5 while focusing too much on the
individual balloting issue. A complete 7.5 would read (with a slight
modification to my previous recommended text):
7.5 Balloting Group for Sponsor balots
All members of the Sponsor Balloting Groups shall meet the requirements
of IEEE-SA for participation. Any inclusion of invited experts shall be
approved by the EC in addition to any approvals required by IEEE-SA.
The type of balloting of the invitation to Sponsor Ballot shall be
consistent with the approved PAR for the project.
My recommended changes to 17 remains the same, inserting a numbered item
3:
3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals. No LMSC PAR may be
submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting
unless approved in advance by the EC.
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:48 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5 -
Balloting Groups
Tentative tally:
Vote categories: DIS DNV APP ABS
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01 Mat Sherman DNV
02 Pat Thaler DNV
03 Buzz Rigsbee DNV
04 Bob O'Hara DNV
05 John Hawkins DNV
06 Tony Jeffree APP
07 Bob Grow DNV
08 Stuart Kerry DNV
09 Bob Heile DNV
10 Roger Marks DNV
11 Mike Takefman DNV
12 Mike Lynch DNV
13 Steve Shellhammer DNV
14 Jerry Upton DNV
15 Ajay Rajkumar DNV
16 Carl Stevenson DNV
17 Paul Nikolich DIS
---++++---+++++---++++---
TOTALS DIS DNV APP ABS
-16- total: -01- -15- -01- -00-
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As per the motion passed in the closing EC meeting last Friday, find
attached the P&P revision ballot for the existing text of Clause 7.5 to
clarify the membership requirements for Sponsor balloting groups.
This ballot closes on 21st April 2005.
Regards,
Tony
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