Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
Buzz,
My notebook (quite new) is .11b/g ... No "a" ... And I'm not planning on
moving to "a" any time soon.
Let's be careful not to do anything that will compromise our b/g coverage
... We should not be "forcing" folks to use "a" by abandoning b/g. Many
people don't have the option to control their own destiny on company-owned
machines - the IT department "rules the roost."
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:31 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
> Michael, I do believe the world is gradually moving in that
> direction but a significant portion of todays WLAN access
> nets are still 802.11b only. Dell D600 still makes the
> Tri-Mode card an extra-cost option but the amount is
> negligible for anyone except a company purchasing officer.
> However, I continue to be surprised at how many supposedly
> "Knowledgeable Sources" are still recommend buying just
> 802.11b "because it works everywhere." (so do b,g and
> tri-mode and they work better where they can, duhhh???). Our
> statistics show that less than 10% of our attendees currently
> use 802.11a and so we tend to experience severe 802.11b
> congestion in our larger, high-density meetings.
>
> What we're looking to do is somehow encourage many of our
> attendees to move up to 802.11a capability where there is a
> great deal more headroom for dense settings (12 channels vs.
> 3, and 54Mb/s vs. 11mb/s) in the short term (i.e. by next plenary).
>
> Our next step will be to add security.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
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> Cell: (425) 417-1022
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Lynch [mailto:mjlynch@NORTEL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
>
> I have a laptop with internal a/b/g. It is seamless and
> normally the only way I know what network I'm on is if I go and look.
>
> Works fine. I wonder how many others attending have the same
> built-in system? I have seen a lot of Dell 600s in our meetings.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> [mailto:matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:47
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment
> Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
>
> Frankly I have an 802.11a card and rarely use it. I find
> that the integrated 802.11g card in my primary laptop works
> fine normally, so it is more trouble than it is worth to
> reach into my bag to install and configure the 11a card. It
> may be convenient for the network provider to use 802.11a,
> but less so for the user.
>
> I'll note, that when I ran this 11a card under WIN2K the
> 802.11a it regularly crashed my computer, which is why I
> rarely used it. I could never get the card provider to fix
> the problem. It works fine under XP I believe, but if
> someone else wound up with this network card (which would
> cause random crashes on my machine often losing significant
> data under WIN2K) I can see the liability issues.
>
> I have another card that runs fine in any computer except a
> Dell D600 (which of course is all we field at work). While
> it does not cause system crashes it freezes the machine
> completely until you eject the card. The funny thing is that
> while it is apparently a Dell design flaw, only certain
> network cards exhibit the problem. There is a particular
> reference design that I find this problem follows. I think I
> purchased the first cards based on that reference design. I
> complained to the provider of those cards and (after several
> months) they developed a work around. I recently purchased a
> card from a different provider that I know is based on the
> same reference design since as soon as I popped it into my
> D600 exhibited the same exact symptoms. I started to
> complain to the card provider, but quickly realized this was
> going to be another 4 month cycle of finger pointing, so I
> never even bothered to get a fix. It happens to be a
> fantastic design except for that one bug (whi!
> ch actually is in the computer, not the card), so I just
> don't use that card in any of my D600's. I do sometimes plug
> in that card (which I need a little extra range) when I'm on the road.
>
> Moral of the story - There's a lot of gotya's out there. Be
> very wary!
>
> Mat
>
> PS - Somehow I feel there should be a Bugs Bunny joke after
> that last line...
>
> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> Senior Member Technical Staff
> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
> Office: +1 973.633.6344
> email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:27 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment
> Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
> John, I believe the motion gives permission to acquire the
> 802.11a modules and direction for us to come up with a
> proposal for how to proceed on encouraging 802.11a usage
> (whether it is FREE or not) and certainly your option would
> be one of those considered. Whatever we come up with for the
> latter the EC will have a final review and approve before we
> do anything.
>
> So let's complete the motion and then explore our options for
> encouraging 802.11a usage.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> Cell: (425) 417-1022
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hawkins [mailto:jhawkins@NORTEL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for
> Network Equipment
> Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
>
> I'm not sure there's a mechanism for this now that the ballot
> is out but... Can we hold off on this a few days?
>
> I have a potential source for FREE APs. I'm trying to
> determine with Tim, whether they would measure up to his
> standards. They are A/B/G's, SNMP manageable, etc... but the
> devil's in the details.
>
> And best of all they will be FREE! ! !
>
> Can I have a few days to look into this?
>
> (the budget needs all the help it can get).
>
> john
>
> P.S. If this offer for FREE APs doesn't come to pass, I still
> have some reservations (even though I agreed to second). I
> would want to see a budget (no blank checks please) and I
> still have reservations about giving away wireless cards
> (again, budget, and liability concerns).
>
> john
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:49 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment
> Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005
>
>
> Dear EC Members,
>
> This is a email ballot to make a determination on the below motion.
>
> Motion:
> "Whereas our Network Manager, Tim Godfrey, has recommended
> that we proceed with acquisition of the 802.11a modules for
> our Cisco 1200 APs that are not currently so equipped, and
> that we make an effort to encourage our attendees to migrate
> to 802.11a for reduced congestion:
>
>
> I move that we proceed to acquire those additional 802.11a
> modules (20), and further that we investigate a promotional
> deal to encourage more of our attendees to upgrade to
> Tri-Mode (802.11b, 11g, 11a) interface cards, which would
> also allow us to regulate client transmit power levels in
> dense configurations. Terms of deal will be reviewed with
> the Network Services Advisory Committee, and presented for
> final approval by the 802 EC prior to implementation."
>
>
> Moved: Rigsbee
> Second: Hawkins
>
> The ballot opens 7PM ET Sunday 24 July 2005 and closes Friday
> 19 August 2005
> 2005.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul Nikolich
>
>
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