Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion on The Atlanta Proposal+++ends 29 July 2005

[Pat Thaler <pat_thaler@AGILENT.COM>]

Bob,

I think Atlanta is a less risky proposition then San Antonio (which is my recollection of our worst response to the challenge of growth - lovely river walk area but a long hike from the sub-standard Wyndham where 802.3 and .1 were shoehorned into meeting rooms to the very farthest part of the convention center). It has a dense concentration of the right kind of hotels for us so worst case we would probably be in a situation more similar to when we have needed two hotels in Vancouver and the hotel appeared to have meeting space beyond what we were using so there would be room for some growth without needing an additional meeting hotel. 

If we do outgrow a hotel/city, we had best figure it out 2 or more years ahead of time when there is more booking flexibility. Unfortunately, I think that two years before we were still thinking that 1000+ attendance was a temporary hump rather than a steady up and to the right.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@INTEL.COM] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July, 2005 2:13 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion on The Atlanta Proposal+++ends 29 July 2005

Buzz:

As I recall, many of us attempted to get you to pull the string on
Alberquerque when we grew beyond the capacity of the hotel (or was it
the city).  Your past actions speak louder than your assurance below
that the contract would allow us to change locations.

--Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:02 PM
To: Grow, Bob; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion on The Atlanta
Proposal+++ends 29 July 2005


Bob,  Let me point out that if our Group were to change so radically
that Atlanta was no longer a viable location for us, we do have the
option to find an alternative site.  With the extra meeting space we
have in reserve and the many hotels nearby for overflow we would almost
have to triple in size before that would become a serious consideration.


We have lots of opportunities to adjust our allocations with no penalty
so I find it hard to imagine a scenario in which we do not come out
ahead by having a great deal on the books.  If inflation goes rampant
(which I consider a much more likely scenario) we win big time since
we'll be paying our low prices with even less valuable dollars.  

It's an ill wind that does not blow someone a beneficial windfall.  

So where's the risk ???    Worst case our great deal turns into just a
good deal over time; I can live with that too.  

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@INTEL.COM] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:45 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion on The Atlanta
Proposal+++ends 29 July 2005


Colleagues:

I am concerned about how far out these meetings are.  I looked back the
same period as these contracts are looking forward  (4 and 6 years).  In
July 2001 we had 1019 attendees, and in July 1999 we only had 469. 

My crystal ball isn't that good (I sure didn't project the dramatic
attendance growth from 1999 to 2001), and don't even expect the growth
of the last four years to continue at the same pace, but I do remember
November 2001 being held captive in the Austin convention center because
of a tornado in the area, people stealing a trash bag out of the janitor
closet to make a poncho, and then walking through torential rain back to
the overflow hotel whether other 802.3 meetings were being held.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Hyatt Regency Atlanta couldn't hold us in
four years.  In six years who knows how big we will be, we might even
have figured out how to transition to entity balloting and be back to a
few hundred attendees ;-).

I'll reluctantly vote in favor of 2009, but vote against 2011.

--Bob Grow

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET] 
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:46 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion on The Atlanta
Proposal+++ends 29 July 2005

Dear EC Members,

This is a email ballot to make a determination on the below motion.

Motion: "To approve the attached motion (finalize contract arrangements
with 
Hyatt Regency Atlanta) for Nov 2009).

Moved: Rigsbee
Second: Hawkins

The ballot opens noon PT Saturday 23 July 2005 and closes Friday 29 July

2005.

Regards,

--Paul Nikolich


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rigsbee, Everett O" <everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com>
To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
Cc: <jhawkins@nortel.com>; <dawns@facetoface-events.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: The Atlanta Proposal for EC Ballot



Paul,  Here's is the material from the Atlanta Proposal to be balloted
and 
closed by 30 July 2005.  The first file is the information on the
deal(s). 
The second is the motions to approve for Nov. 2009 and for Nov. 2011.


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com


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