Re: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and things.
Mat,
I perhaps should have addressed my email more globally to the exec as I don't think you are arguing for the change. However, your email didn't say the change would be a bad idea - only that you encouraged others to put out their own changes instead of expecting putting them on you. And you referred to this as a "little fix" ;-) though, in fairness, I think you may have intended that to be tongue in cheek. What we initially think is a little change turns out to be a big one.
I wanted to point out that this change isn't a little one and to discourage it for now.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) [mailto:matthew.sherman@baesystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July, 2005 9:50 AM
To: pat_thaler@agilent.com; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and things.
Pat,
I don't think I am arguing against your point ;^)
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:22 PM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and
things.
Mat,
I'll remind you that between March and November we discussed the
possibility of adding EC teleconference type meetings to the rules and
came to the conclusion that we didn't want to do that at this time. In
an email yesterday I described some of the concerns. I don't think we
should revisit it at this point.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
[mailto:matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July, 2005 6:27 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and
things.
Guys,
Please recall my new policy. Accepting little fixes like this is how I
developed a horrible backlog in the first place. I encourage others on
the EC to run some rules changes. Geoff, I recognize it matters to you
and you can't vote, but I've got a backlog of 6 (I think) P&P revisions
that I prepared and were suspended. One of those is in fact yours. I'm
not about to take on more P&P work at this time.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@NORTEL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:32 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and
things.
Bob-
So we can (at least) fix the "problem" of the rules comment resolution
meeting by making it a standing meeting (until it runs out of work :^)
Mat, can you fix this?
Geoff
At 03:42 PM 7/26/2005 , Bob O'Hara (boohara) wrote:
>One problem I have with EC teleconferences is that they are not "open".
>There are usually a very limited number of phone ports and the meeting
>announcement often does not meet our requirement for 30-day advance
>notice. In addition, I don't think I have ever seen anyone provide
>minutes of one of these teleconferences.
>
>So, without an agreement to handle these as the actual meetings of the
>EC that they are, I would argue strongly against this.
>
>Come to think of it, there are a number of other "meetings" that do not
>meet these requirements, as well. At least one of them is the P&P
>comment resolution meeting.
>
>
> -Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shellhammer, Steve [mailto:sshellha@QUALCOMM.COM]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:28 PM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and
>things.
>
>Pat,
>
> I think we can get lots of discussion done in EC
teleconferences
>and make the decisions at the plenary meetings. Clearly people have to
>attend. I do not believe there have been any meetings on topics other
>than the P&P changes (e.g. meeting locations). I would say we should
>leave it up to the person leading the effort. If they want to have it
>spill over after the meeting that is fine. If they want to prepare
>before the meeting that is fine also, maybe even better.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pat Thaler [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:43 PM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Subject: [802SEC] Coping with agenda time limits - hotels and things.
>
>We will probably find our EC meeting time available at plenaries to be
a
>tight squeeze. However, our attempts to do teleconferences on specific
>topics (e.g. meetings and rules) have not been successful at getting
>critical mass attendance. EC topic meetings Sunday evening and during
>the week also find this a challenge.
>
>We can have the topic meetings but there is a large chance of getting
to
>the EC meeting and finding out those who didn't attend disagree.
>
>I think there are two viable options:
>What we are doing right now - spill over the leftovers to email
>discussion and vote where at least we are getting good participation
>even if we sometimes get a little testy with each other and sometimes
>have to grope around on how to handle equivalents of the parliamentary
>procedures we would do during a meeting.
>
>All agree to a fixed time and day before the meeting when we would have
>regular "virtual" EC meeting over phone and meeting software (e.g.
>MeetingPlace) with a similar commitment to showing up to be part of the
>quorum as we have during the opening and closing EC meetings. I expect
>Tony will point out that this would be difficult to schedule
>conveniently for EC members outside North American time zones. Also
>openness issues would have to be addressed and we would need a rules
>change to do this.
>
>I think the first tool is adequate for most of what we have and we are
>still learning to use it well. I suggest sticking with email for now.
>
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