Re: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
Bob-
Thanks for your input. I confess that I am a little put off by "the no
rules are being broken" responses. As the high level management committee,
we are supposed to do a lot more than "just follow the rules". We are
supposed to have the judgement and discretion and do the right thing in
area not adequately covered by the rules.
I admit and realize that I was leaning a bit heavily on the "too concerned"
side. Having said that, it is clear to me that in the spectrum that runs
from an ex-member of the EC all the way to the entire EC giving a panel at
a 3rd party for-profit conference there is a point beyond which our
participation is a legitimate issue of business of the 802 EC. The
appearance of something being an EC or quasi-EC function is no different
from the audience side than a sanctioned one.
I continue to be concerned that this event was not even announced, much
less discussed on the EC reflector at all by the involved parties. I really
hate learning about this stuff via a 3rd party.
Best regards,
Geoff
At 01:44 PM 9/21/2007 , Shellhammer, Steve wrote:
>Bob,
>
> I think that makes sense and is very helpful. I agree that
>having such a disclaimer in a presentation is a good idea.
>
>Regards,
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@intel.com]
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:43 PM
>To: Shellhammer, Steve; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>Subject: RE: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
>
>All:
>
>I'll come down somewhere in the middle. I think Geoff is being a bit
>too concerned at this point, but I also think some have expressed
>opinions that are too loose on making things very clear what the status
>of the material presented is. If you read the boilerplate in the front
>of our standards, it contains the following:
>
>"At lectures, symposia, seminars, or educational courses, an individual
>presenting information on
>IEEE standards shall make it clear that his or her views should be
>considered the personal views of that individual
>rather than the formal position, explanation, or interpretation of the
>IEEE."
>
>So, especially being an 802 officer, have made it a practice to include
>a disclaimer in my presentation (including the above). I don't think it
>is enough to simply ignore that many will think someone holding an
>impressive title may be delivering an official position. It is much
>cleaner to make it very explicit that one is speaking personally.
>
>I expect that the seminar participants could and should clearly indicate
>that they are providing personal opinions; and if they do that, it
>satisfies all my concerns.
>
>--Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:14 PM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
>
>Geoff,
>
> What is the rule on this? Is there a rule? I know we have some
>rules regarding 802.18 representing 802 to regulatory organizations.
>Are there other rules regarding giving presentations at workshops or
>other presentations? I know Roger was recently giving a presentation on
>802.16 in San Diego (where I live) at a local IEEE meeting. Was he
>supposed to clear such a presentation with the EC?
>
> I think if the EC has some expectations on such presentations it
>is obligated to document those expectations, otherwise 802 members will
>not know what those expectations are, and would be left guessing.
>
>Regards,
>Steve
>
>
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>[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:01 AM
>To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>Subject: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
>
>Colleagues-
>
>This announcement troubles me. Although it does not say that it is being
>
>presented "in cooperation with IEEE 802" there is certainly a strong
>impression given (especially since it is being moderated by our chair)
>that
>this event is sanctioned by 802. I don't recall ever having discussed
>this
>one way or the other in the EC. Even without any prejudice about how a
>discussion in the EC might turn out, I am uneasy about this. I would be
>interested in your thoughts.
>
>Geoff
>
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> >Subject: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
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