Re: [802SEC] +++ 802 EC motion to allow consideration of 802.11 PARs in July
Pat
I believe my rationale is correct; it is important that we realize what the rules actually say rather than what an individual may be able to do as a result of the rules.
With respect to the requirement it is "Complete PARs shall be circulated via the EC email reflector to all EC members no less than 30 days prior to the day of the Opening EC meeting of an LMSC plenary session." So the requirement is applicable for the PAR to be available to EC members. There is no REQUIREMENT that it be available to any-one else in that timeframe. Yes someone could try to check the EC e-mail archives (which are actually not easy to find) but that does not make availability to anyone else a requirement. Also there is no requirement that I can find anyplace for an e-mail archive.
The only requirement for non-ec members is the comment cycle during the plenary week.
If we want anything else to be required we should make sure that that is reflected in any revisions we make to the rules.
Regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Thaler [mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:33 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Klerer, Mark
Subject: RE: +++ 802 EC motion to allow consideration of 802.11 PARs in July
+++++++ Corrected text of motion: +++++
Dear Colleagues,
This is a 10 day email ballot of the IEEE 802 EC. This ballot will close
30 June 2008 (anywhere on Earth). Paul has delegated conduct of this
ballot to me. Because this is a ballot to suspend the rules, Paul has
ruled that it will require a vote of 2/3 of EC with voting rights
members to pass.
Motion:
This motion is for the PARs:
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0716-00-0vht-below-6-ghz-p
a>
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0716-00-0vht-below-6-ghz-pa
r-nescom-form.doc
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0716-00-0vht-below-6-ghz-p
ar-nescom-form.doc>
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0715-00-0vht-60-ghz-par-ne
s>
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0715-00-0vht-60-ghz-par-nes
com-form.doc
which were to the EC circulated 2 days less than the required 30 days
prior to the Opening Excecutive Committee meeting of the July 2008
plenary.
Moved to Suspend the rules to allow consideration of the 802.11 Below 6
GHz PAR and the 802.11 60 GHz PAR at the July 2008 closing EC meeting.
Mover: Pat Thaler
Seconder: Bruce Kraemer
Regards,
Pat Thaler
Good catch Mark, I had intended to remove that because I decided it
wasn't necessary - if a WG has a problem with the PARs it can use the
comment process. And I think people should know whether the EC is going
to allow the motion before the meeting.
Note however that I disagree with your rationale. The 30 day in advance
rule is to circulate to the EC reflector, not just the EC. That means
that any member can see those announcements by checking the EC reflector
30 days before the meeting. They don't need to depend on their chairs to
circulate the information.
-----Original Message-----
From: Klerer, Mark [mailto:mklerer@qualcomm.com]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:17 PM
To: Pat Thaler; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: +++ 802 EC motion to allow consideration of 802.11 PARs in
July
Why do we have the "except clause" for a WG objecting? Will the WG have
to object by a simple majority vote? There is no requirement for each WG
to see it 30 days in advance just for the EC. The individual WG chairs
can than circulate that information. So I would not complicate the
motion with that proviso.
Anyway I will vote approve either way.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 4:54 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: +++ 802 EC motion to allow consideration of 802.11 PARs in July
Dear Colleagues,
This is a 10 day email ballot of the IEEE 802 EC. This ballot will close
30 June 2008 (anywhere on Earth). Paul has delegated conduct of this
ballot to me. Because this is a ballot to suspend the rules, Paul has
ruled that it will require a vote of 2/3 of EC with voting rights
members to pass.
Motion:
This motion is for the PARs:
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0716-00-0vht-below-6-ghz-p
a>
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0716-00-0vht-below-6-ghz-pa
r-nescom-form.doc
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0716-00-0vht-below-6-ghz-p
ar-nescom-form.doc>
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0715-00-0vht-60-ghz-par-ne
s>
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/file/08/11-08-0715-00-0vht-60-ghz-par-nes
com-form.doc
which were to the EC circulated 2 days less than the required 30 days
prior to the Opening Excecutive Committee meeting of the July 2008
plenary.
Moved to Suspend the rules to allow consideration of the 802.11 Below 6
GHz PAR and the 802.11 60 GHz PAR at the July 2008 closing EC meeting.
Mover: Pat Thaler
Seconder: Bruce Kraemer
Regards,
Pat Thaler
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