All
I sent a much longer email, but as for the history, I believe Ivan
and I are in agreement. The WG/TAG chairs define what is
reciprocal rights for their group.
For example, 802.24 TAG does not offer reciprocal rights to other
groups (i.e., that you could use 3 802.15 meetings to count as 100%
attendance in 802.24). I am pleased that some other WGs do offer
reciprocal attendance in their groups for attending 802.24
meetings, but, AFAIK, it is their choice how to do it.
Still, it would be best if we had one algorithm all WGs agreed to
with a simple opt in/opt out.
IMHO.
James Gilb
On 03/25/2013 06:16 AM, Ivan Reede wrote:
Well, if it can be of some use, I can give some history here, as
I was around when the recoprocal rights were created.
A long time ago, some TAGs had attendance problems because people
would not attend them in fear of losing their voting rights in
their WG. To alleviate this and allow the interested people to
atend the TAGs and not lose thier voting rights in their WG,
reciprocal attendance credit was created. This allows a user to
attend a TAG and log their attendance in their WG, such as to be
able to participate in a TAG and maintain thier voting rights in
their WG. Chairs determine the TAG pertinence to the their WG by
deciding to allow for reciprocal attendance credits between said
TAG and their WG. Now thats it for the historical reasons for the
reciprocal attendance credits. After that, TAGS were eliminated
and called working groups... so now, chairs can create reciprocal
rights between and WGs.
In my opinion, "a" is the correct answer right now, although "b"
is an interesting alternative which would greatly simplfy things,
i.e. once you have acquired votingrights in one group, visiting
another group with recpropcal voting rights would allow you to
maintain your voting rights in the first group and would
eliminate the "home group juggling" from one meeting to the next.
It would not change things in the manner of what can be done, it
would just simplify things by automating them rather than
requiring the particiapnt to keep a record, session by session,
of where to direct their reciprocal attendance and would simplify
the software by removing confusing/cryptic questions. In any
case, if one wants to mainting their voting rights in their home
WG, they should concentrate their presence into a single WG
during the entire week, thereby, the question asked at every
single 2 hour period is annoying at best, outright confusing to
newbies trying to use the attednance syste!
m. I think if "a" is maintained as the right choice, something
could be done to ask the "home group" question once for the entire
week, and leave it at that.
Just my 2 cents worth, Ivan Reede, vice chair, 802.19 -----
Original Message ----- From: Jon Rosdahl To: Stephens, Adrian P ;
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013
12:57 AM Subject: Re: [802SEC] Interpretation of reciprocal
credit "rule"
a) I believe the current operation is correct (i.e., visited
+ 1 home)
I think that the tool needs to be fixed in that the prompt is
less than informative, and the instructions less than clear.
I will work to get a ticket in place, to fix it up, but our input
to help with the final expected operation would be helpful.
I think that only a "voter" can make use of the reciprocal credit
option, and it cannot be used to "gain" voting rights, but only
to maintain them.
When Marking Attendance, a choice of which "home" group should be
selectable, and if you are attending your home group, and you
only want home credit, that should be an option (currently it is
not).
FWIW,
Jon
----- Original Message ----- From: Stephens, Adrian P To:
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE..ORG Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:09
PM Subject: [802SEC] Interpretation of reciprocal credit "rule"
Dear 802 EC,
As mentioned at the EC meeting today, there is a question of
interpretation regarding reciprocal credit.
Although the answer may be buried somewhere in an EC motion or an
IEEE-SA staff document before my
time, I cannot find anything in the rules/OM relating to this.
Definitions:
home group - a group in which a user has voting rights
visited group - a group that a user attends, which is granted
reciprocal credit by the home group
A voter visits a group and records attendance. The question is
simple.
Should the voter get attendance at:
a) One of the home group and the visited group
b) Both of the home group and the visited group (current)
And if the voter has multiple home groups should the voter get
attendance credit:
a) One of the home group and visited groups
b) The visited group and one of the home groups (current)
c) The visited group and all of the home groups
Current behaviour (modulo a few UI infelicities) is highlighted.
I initially took this to be a bug, because I laboured under the
mistaken assumption that
attendance credit should not multiply unnecessarily. (Stephens'
razor).
I'd like to get feedback on how you think the system should
behave. Once I get this, I'll
document this behaviour, and if necessary work with Jon to raise
a ticket to change it.
Just to help provide rapid feedback, I have some stock responses
prepared below:
a) I believe the current operation is correct (i.e., visited
+ 1 home)
b) I believe single attendance credit is correct (i.e.,
visited or home)
c) I don't do reciprocal credit, I have no opinion
d) I don't care, I have no opinion
Best Regards,
Adrian P STEPHENS
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