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Re: [802SEC] Sponsor Ballot Recirculation Minimum TIme?


Without going into all of the schedule detail, I respectfully disagree that there is no compelling reason to reduce the 15 days down to 10 days.  As I am working to submit the 802.3bs draft in time to meet the Revcom Oct 16 submission date, the extra 5 days would be extremely beneficial.


In regards to the 10 versus 15 days – I think 15 days is more appropriate early in the Sponsor Ballot Process, but as you are approaching the end 10 days would then be reasonable.   This seems to be better considered on case-by-case basis by the WG Chair.


But it does seem that there are no rules that really force a 15 day minimum.




From: Adrian Stephens []
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:54 PM
To: John D'Ambrosia <jdambrosia@GMAIL.COM>; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Sponsor Ballot Recirculation Minimum TIme?


Hello John,

I don't believe our Sponsor P&P says anything about this. The text you quote therefore applies to 802 Sponsor ballots.

We presumably stated 15 days for WG recirculations because we thought the 10 day default (assuming "make WG ballot just like Sponsor ballot") was not considered long enough.

There is no compelling reason to make it any smaller because we are limited to a 2 month cycle by
our WG meetings.


Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Skype: adrian_stephens

On 30/08/2017 17:11, John D'Ambrosia wrote:


In reviewing the rules regarding recirculation period for sponsor balloting, I have come some text that is unclear to me. 


The IEEE 802 WG P&P States –

11.0 Actions requiring an electronic ballot require comments on changes required to modify the vote to Approve.  For a letter ballot on a draft standard to be valid a majority of all the voting members of the Working Group must have responded Approve, Do Not Approve, or Abstain. Comment resolution, recirculations, etc. should be consistent with Sponsor ballot rules and of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual (SASB OM).


The response time for a Working Group letter ballot on a draft shall be at least thirty days. However, for recirculation ballots the response time shall be at least fifteen days.


Submission of a draft standard or a revised standard to the Sponsor shall be accompanied by any outstanding negative votes and a statement of why these unresolved negative votes could not be resolved.


Revised drafts approved in subsequent Working Group letter ballot for forwarding to the Sponsor Ballot Group do not require Sponsor approval for forwarding.


However, the IEEE-SA Std Board Manual states – Ballot term Each ballot in the standards balloting process shall close at 23:59 UTC-124 on the closing date specified on the ballot. The length of the ballot and associated recirculations is set by the Sponsor. The initial ballot term shall be at least 30 days in duration. The recirculation ballot term shall be at least 10 days in duration.


When I spoke with David, he believe we have used a minimum of 15 days for Sponsor Ballots, but in light of these rules it is unclear where IEEE 802 has a requirement for a minimum of days for a sponsor ballot recirculation.


Can anyone clarify another rule I may have missed?  And what are WG Chairs requiring for Sponsor Ballot Recirculations?  Your input would be greatly appreciated.




John D’Ambrosia

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