Hi Bob,
That sounds like a flip, non-answer. Im not sure which of the two you are trying to tell me:
- Are you trying to tell me that I should travel as though I am a tourist and Ill (probably) get away with it;
- Or are you trying to tell me that you are confident that if I tick Meetingor Conventionon the landing card, you are confident that the rules that would allow me to enter under the tourist visa exemption rules will apply?
If you are telling me the first, then yes, I would make a personal decision to reject that course and follow the rules. Whether the second statement is true or not is what I have been trying to ascertain for a month, and knowing whether that second statement is true is really the only answer I care about getting.
Regards,
Steve
From: Bob Heile <bheile@ieee.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:02 AM
To: Trowbridge, Steve (Nokia - US) <steve.trowbridge@nokia.com>; Bob Heile <bheile@ieee.org>; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Cc: scarlson@hspdesign.com; lisa@facetoface-events.com; dawns@facetoface-events.com
Subject: RE: Thailand Visa Info
Hi Steve
It is up to you. I can give you no guidance on what is a personal decision nor can I give you any assurances You can make it easy or make complicated. I personally opt for easy. The airport visas make no mention of tourism or business so just get a visa at the airport. We had an interim there a couple of years ago and no one had a problem entering the country including me. I do not remember specifics other than it was totally uneventful I will try and get you a couple of more personal experiences if that will make you feel any more comfortable.
Sorry, that is the best I can do. If it makes you feel better bring a copy of your registration and get an invite letter from 802.
Best
Bob
At 03:52 AM 9/11/2018 +0000, Trowbridge, Steve (Nokia - US) wrote:
Hi Bob,
This is one of many things I have located offering different views on whether I need a visa for Thailand. The worry I have about this table is that the column heading where I find the USA listed is Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme. There is no doubt that if I was traveling to Thailand with the purpose of my visit being tourism, I would not need a visa. Tourism, in my mind, would be taking a vacation during time away from my job where my employer is not paying me for what I am doing while in Thailand, which is surely not the case.
I would appreciate some clear guidance on what I can say truthfully on entrance to Thailand that can be assured will be considered as a purpose of travel not requiring a visa. Here, it is confusing. I will need to tick one of the boxes on the landing card:
Looking at what they ask on the Thailand landing card:
https://www.thai.lt/blog/566-thailand-arrival-card-2018-how-to-fill-arrival-card-form
It says Purpose of Visit must be tourism if you are using Free Visa-Exempt Stay, Visa on Arrival, Single Entry Tourist Visa or Multiple Entry Tourist Visa. Otherwise you might be rejected to enter the country.
Interestingly, tourismisnt one of the tick boxes on the landing card. There, you need to pick one of Holiday, Business, Education, Employment, Meeting, Incentive, Convention, Exhibition, Sports, Medical & Wellness, Transit, or Others.
I am sure that I could tick Holidayon the landing card and enter without a visa, but I believe that would be untruthful.
Can you provide assurance that if I tick Meetingor Conventionon the landing card, that as a US citizen I can enter without a visa?
I find some things online that it is a bad idea to tick Businessor Employmentto enter without a visa and work permit, but Meetingor Conventionwould be reasonably honest representation of the purpose of travel.
Regards,
Steve
From: Bob Heile <bheile@ieee.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 9:03 PM
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Cc: Trowbridge, Steve (Nokia - US) <steve.trowbridge@nokia.com>; scarlson@hspdesign.com; lisa@facetoface-events.com; dawns@facetoface-events.com
Subject: Thailand Visa Info
Importance: High
Hi All-
Please distribute the attached to your groups. As you can see, for ~99.9% of the planet's population, getting into Thailand is not a big deal. You can go right in on a 30 tourist declaration or you can get a visa at the airport for the smaller group that may need to do that.
Cheers
Bob
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Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Specialty Networks
Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
11 Robert Toner Blvd, Suite 5-301
North Attleboro, MA 02763 USA
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email: bheile@ieee.org
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