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Re: [802SEC] +++ Early Close 10-day ECMotion+++ Approval of comments to Ofcom on their changes tothe licence exemption for Wireless Telegraphy Devices consultation



very good all, i have the initially introduced point in there and that should be it. 
thanks
jay 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
My preferred parenthetical is "(initially introduced in IEEE Std 802.11ah-2016)".

Cheers,

Roger
On Jan 13, 2020, 09:19 -0700, Benjamin A. Rolfe , wrote:

The solution which we have proposed to use in 19.3 is to refer to it by the handy name "Sub 1 GHz (S1G) PHY" which is the same name used in the published amendment and the not yet completed revision. Since the industry refers to "11ah" we have a paragraph that explains the term "802.11ah" and "Sub 1GHz (S1G) PHY" are equivalent. In this case we are concerned about people who will read the standard (recommended practice) in the future and may know only what is in 802.11 and not the history of how it came into 802.11. You might get away with something like "Sub 1 GHz (S1G) PHY, also known in the industry as 802.11ah, ...

maybe that helps.

On 1/12/2020 7:40 PM, Jay Holcomb wrote:

hi James,

thank you for the inputs with my question and with our discussion. with Clause 23 not in the published .11 standard yet, will plan to use ‘ah’ and the name of the phy to your point, since it is the current published standard.  granted once the rollup comes out things change.  i will get a r03 out soon with the editorial edits.

 

also, i will vote approve (and early close was already met.)

jay

 From: James P. K. Gilb <Gilb_IEEE@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Early Close 10-day ECMotion+++ Approval of comments to Ofcom on their changes tothe licence exemption for Wireless Telegraphy Devices consultation
To: Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org>, <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>  
All

I think that rather than refer to it by clause, we should just use the
handy name provided by IEEE 802.11, i.e., "Sub 1 GHz (S1G) PHY" and
leave the clause out as this number can change.

James Gilb

On 1/11/20 2:14 PM, Jay Holcomb wrote:
> yep, if i go into IEEE Std 802.11ah i see sub clause 23 just fine.
>
> so is the convention stating IEEE Std 802.11 Clause 23, that folks know to
> look through all the  published amendments also to find the clause? if so
> then i can make an r03 to be clear what is the latest, with what you sent
> Roger.
> thanks
> jay
>
> From: Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org>
> Date: Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Early Close 10-day ECMotion+++ Approval of
> comments to Ofcom on their changes tothe licence exemption for Wireless
> Telegraphy Devices consultation
> To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
>
>> Tim is right, but you can also look right in IEEE Std 802.11ah, where you
>> will find "23. Sub 1 GHz (S1G) PHY specification."
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roger
>> On Jan 11, 2020, 9:18 AM -0700, Tim Godfrey <tim.godfrey@ieee.org>, wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jay,
>>
>> I vote approve.
>>
>> Jumping in on your question for Roger, IEEE Std 802.11-2016 does not
>> incorporate 802.11ah.  S1G is in Clause 23 of 802.11REVmd (currently in SA
>> ballot)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim.
>>
>>
>> At 08:16 AM 1/11/2020, you wrote:
>>
>> HI Roger,
>> the clarity you have added looks great with one question.  where you are
>> updating the 802.11ah to 802.11 Clause 23, i looked on the disk of
>> standards we received a few weeks ago and 802.11ah amendment is in the
>> 802.11 folder and not seeing any reference to it in the base 802.11-2016
>> standard and it only goes to clause 22.   how are you looking at 802.11
>> clause 23?
>> thanks
>> jay
>>
>> From: *Roger Marks* <r.b.marks@ieee.org>
>> Date: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Early Close 10-day ECMotion+++ Approval of
>> comments to Ofcom on their changes tothe licence exemption for Wireless
>> Telegraphy Devices consultation
>> To: < STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>, Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org
>> Jay,
>>
>> I vote Approve with the attached comments.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roger
>> On Jan 6, 2020, 6:21 AM -0700, Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org>, wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear LMSC Members,
>>
>>
>>
>> With this email I would like to announce the start of an LMSC(EC) Early
>> Close ballot on comments to Ofcom (UK) in response to their changes to the
>> licence exemption for Wireless Telegraphy Devices consultation.  The
>> deadline there for comments is 17Jan20.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul has delegated to me to conduct a LMSC(EC) Early Close 10-day
>> electronic ballot on the motion below to approve the comments to the
>> Ofcom.  This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b)
>> (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for
>> communication with government bodies and public statements.  With that we
>> would like to see everyone respond.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·         Motion: Move to approve the comments in
>> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-19-0161-02-0000-ofcom-consultation-comments-ieee-802-exemptions-wireless-telegraphy.odt
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mentor.ieee.org_802.18_dcn_19_18-2D19-2D0161-2D02-2D0000-2Dofcom-2Dconsultation-2Dcomments-2Dieee-2D802-2Dexemptions-2Dwireless-2Dtelegraphy.odt&d=DwMFaQ&c=pqcuzKEN_84c78MOSc5_fw&r=z8R-nWJ8GIxwjOjNKhEFByb-tZ6XE3GZXWSggNdVo-w&m=9llYEypFJkPPE0PHplIhyn96D7knvi2X8QIKU9nj5b8&s=L42rWdSrfUew0LZDQEyKGuiBPdN7ftcgLJm9DJ_3TMg&e=>
>> ; response to Ofcom on changes to the licence exemption for Wireless
>> Telegraphy Devices consultation.  With the Chair of 802.18 authorized to
>> make editorial changes as necessary and send to Ofcom on or before 17
>> January 2020 (UK).
>>
>>
>>
>> Approved in the RR-TAG: 6 / 0 / 0
>>
>>
>>
>> Mover:     Jay Holcomb
>>
>> Seconder:  Dorothy Stanley
>>
>>
>>
>> Start of ballot: 06 January 2020
>>
>> Close of ballot: 16 January 2020,
>>
>> though early close will help to meet Ofcom’s deadline
>>
>>
>>
>> Reference documents:
>>
>> The Ofcom consultation:
>>
>> •
>> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/19/18-19-0160-00-0000-ofcom-consultation-exemptions-wireless-telegraphy.pdf
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mentor.ieee.org_802.18_dcn_19_18-2D19-2D0160-2D00-2D0000-2Dofcom-2Dconsultation-2Dexemptions-2Dwireless-2Dtelegraphy.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=pqcuzKEN_84c78MOSc5_fw&r=z8R-nWJ8GIxwjOjNKhEFByb-tZ6XE3GZXWSggNdVo-w&m=9llYEypFJkPPE0PHplIhyn96D7knvi2X8QIKU9nj5b8&s=0NHmOE8EX2msW5ZQSDziZNlf98MfY4V9H3uk0nxij9w&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>> Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE 802
>> LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that,
>> to ensure the release is provided in a timely manner, this ballot may close
>> early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter.
>> Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on the
>> required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring
>> approval by a majority vote' item (h), 'Other motions brought to the floor
>> by members (when deemed in order by the Sponsor Chair)' of the IEEE 802
>> LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and Procedures.
>>
>>
>>
>> note: the comments are in Open Office format, as it came from Ofcom.  MS
>> Word does tend to affect the format some.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jay Holcomb
>>
>> Liberty Lake (Spokane), WA
>>
>> Itron, Inc.
>>
>> IEEE 802.18 Chair
>>
>>
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