Edward & all – I concur with the change, but I think that it loses the link to what 802 is. It goes straight from IEEE is a leading …SDO to wireless LAN technologies. That, I think, is where the deficiency lies. It is true that IEEE is
a leading SDO, and, as Yvette says, is THE SDO (after all, standards ballot on the whole of SA, and 802 doesn’t publish them alone). While I might wonder why it doesn’t say IEEE-SA is a leading SDO, I’ll defer to Yvette & Paul on that. It certainly is NOT
802 as itself. Note that I’m not saying the old text was clearly incorrect – the 802 LMSC is a body within IEEE (SA). And that is where I think the missing piece lies.
We go straight from the big SDO to the small 802, without a bridge.
I might suggest editing, as below, with my changes in italics from Edward’s text:
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IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) thanks Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) for issuing the consultation “Public consultation on proposed Malaysia’s positions for World Radiocommunication Conference 2023 (WRC-23) agenda items”
and for the opportunity to provide feedback on this topic.
IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based industry standards bodyIEEE is a leading consensus-based standards developing organization,. Operating under IEEE, the IEEE 802 LMSC producesing standards for wireless
networking devices, including wireless local area networks (“WLANs”), wireless specialty networks (“WSNs”), wireless metropolitan area networks (“Wireless MANs”), and wireless regional area networks (“WRANs”). We also produce standards for wired Ethernet networks,
and technologies produced by implementers of our standards are critical for all networked applications today.
IEEE 802 LMSC is a committee of the IEEE Standards Association and Technical Activities, two of the Major Organizational Units of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). IEEE has about 400,000 members in over 160 countries. IEEE’s core
purpose is to foster technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. In submitting this document, IEEE 802 LMSC acknowledges and respects that other components of IEEE Organizational Units may have perspectives that differ from, or compete
with, those of IEEE 802 LMSC. Therefore, this submission should not be construed as representing the views of IEEE as a whole[1].
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-george
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Dear Geoff, Roger,
Thanks for your comments.
The concern raised by the 802.18 participant was regarding the accuracy of the original text "IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based industry standards body". The participant's understanding is that the IEEE is a SDO and the 802 LMSC is a standards committee
of the IEEE. The participant also expressed a concern with the phrase "consensus-based industry standards body”, as the participant has no idea what an “industry standards body” is.
As per Yvette's comments, the SDO is IEEE (this gets very specific with respect to accreditation). From my understanding, the proposed wording may also eliminate the potential confusion of what a 'standards body' is versus a 'standards developing organization",
which may be what the participant was concerned about in the first place.
Dear Yvette, Jodi,
Please kindly advice re the comments from Geoff and Roger.
Regards,
Ed
I agree with Geoff. It was a good description of 802 and now a very poor description of IEEE.
I don’t mind deleting “industry”.
On Aug 4, 2023 at 10:50 AM -0600, Geoff Thompsonend <thompson@ieee.org>, wrote:
I don't agree with the change.
1. I don't find any flaw in the old text. What is the alledged flaw?
2. I do find flaws in the text proposed by the consultation with staff. The IEEE-SA occasionally adopts standards developed elsewhere without change. That is contrary to
the proposed statement.
I do believe that the SA as a whole is adequately described and advertised in the closing paragraph. Our old text is accurate in NOT saying that we speak for any of the IEEE
outside the bounds of 802. I believe that the market success of IEEE 802 Wireless standards is sufficient to provide the weight to our input to regulatory bodies that we seek.
In summary, I oppose the change.
802 EC Member Emeritus, Life Senior Member
Dear Paul and colleagues,
In the most recent 802.18 weekly teleconference call when we reviewed a draft submission to an administration, a participant raised a good comment that the following phrase may not be exactly true: "IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based industry standards
body" that we always use as a preamble on an introduction of IEEE 802 LMSC.
Thanks to the discussion among Paul, Jodi, and Yvette, the phrase is now updated as "IEEE is a leading consensus-based standards developing organization".
For completeness, I copy and paste the updated preamble below for your reference:
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IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) thanks Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) for issuing the consultation “Public consultation on proposed Malaysia’s positions for World Radiocommunication Conference 2023 (WRC-23) agenda items”
and for the opportunity to provide feedback on this topic.
IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based industry standards bodyIEEE is a leading consensus-based standards developing organization, producing standards for wireless networking devices, including wireless local area networks (“WLANs”),
wireless specialty networks (“WSNs”), wireless metropolitan area networks (“Wireless MANs”), and wireless regional area networks (“WRANs”). We also produce standards for wired Ethernet networks, and technologies produced by implementers of our standards are
critical for all networked applications today.
IEEE 802 LMSC is a committee of the IEEE Standards Association and Technical Activities, two of the Major Organizational Units of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). IEEE has about 400,000 members in over 160 countries. IEEE’s core
purpose is to foster technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. In submitting this document, IEEE 802 LMSC acknowledges and respects that other components of IEEE Organizational Units may have perspectives that differ from, or compete
with, those of IEEE 802 LMSC. Therefore, this submission should not be construed as representing the views of IEEE as a whole[1].
________________________________
[1] This document solely represents the views of IEEE 802 LMSC and does not necessarily represent a position of either the IEEE or the IEEE Standards Association.
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Regards,
Edward
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