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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] 802.11ak - Encryption of EPD formated frames




  Hi Philippe,

On 1/23/15 10:32 AM, "Philippe Klein" <philippe@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dan,
You are not missing anything. I was not suggesting the frame must be identical to the 802.3 wired one...I was suggesting to make the encrypted frame format compatible with MACsec i.e. specifying which header fields have to be left authenticated but unencrypted...

  (Note: I assume that your statement "to make…compatible" implies that you want a MACsec
implementation to be able to decrypt and verify one of these frames that transited an 802.11
link. That is the basis for the following statement. If that assumption is wrong then please let
me know).

  If you're not suggesting that the frame formats be identical then I don't know how "to make
the encrypted frame format compatible". There are things in an 802.11 header that are not
in an 802.3 header and those things need to be part of the AAD. MACsec does not address those
parts of an 802.11 header so there is no way to make the two compatible.

  Dan.

/Ph

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On Jan 23, 2015, at 13:23, "Dan Harkins" <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


  Hi Philippe,

On 1/22/15 1:04 PM, "Philippe Klein" <philippe@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Dan,

I understand it is the case today but as EPD mode is  a totally “new” format for 802.11 should we try to unified as much as possible with the Ethernet format including encrypted frame format ? This was the initial sense of my question …


  OK, it's a new format, but it's still an 802.11 frame. It's gonna have the 802.11 MAC header
with the frame control field and the 4 addresses, right? If so then that stuff has to be part of
the AAD and as such it is still an encapsulation using GCM according to the 802.11 standard. 

  Or am I missing something?

  Dan.

/Ph

 

From: Dan Harkins [mailto:dharkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:59 PM
To: Philippe Klein; STDS-802-11-TGAK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] 802.11ak - Encryption of EPD formated frames

 

 

  Hi Philippe, 

 

On 1/21/15 9:28 PM, "Philippe Klein" <philippe@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

The current P802.11ak_D0.06 draft version does not mention any requirement in regard to the encryption of EPD formatted frames.

 

I suggest we add a requirement that EPD formatted frames must be encrypted in a way compatible with IEEE 802.1AE (MACsec) as the 802.3/Ethernet frames are (notice that 802.11ad crypto mode is AES-GCM, the same crypto mode that the default Cypher Suite of 802.1AE).

 

  While the cipher mode is the same the format of the frames and the location of the AAD passed to

AES-GCM is different. I think if it's an 802.11 frame it should be protected the way the 802.11 standard

specifies. 

 

  regards,

 

  Dan. 

 

If you agree I will post a contribution that could be discuss next Monday during the conf call.

Thank you

 

/Philippe

 

Philippe Klein, PhD |Technical Director, Broadband Technology Group

Broadcom Corporation | Golan House, P.O.Box 273, Airport City, 70100 Israel

(M) +972 54 313 4500 | philippe@xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

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