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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

Hi Alfred,

 

I don’t think there is need for that, clearly this is a newer motion replacing some old motions. 

 

What we can have as separate is a motion to replace the old text with a new text as provided below.

 

Thanks,

Ron

 

 

From: Alfred Asterjadhi [mailto:asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:30 PM
To: Ron Porat
Cc: TGBE
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

Hello Ron, Wookbong, Ross, all

 

Do you want to have this candidate SFD text (SP42) as a separate motion, which can have some separate discussions and eventually have clarifications made on the fly prior to running the motion?

 

Regards,

 

Alfred

 

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:49 PM Ron Porat <000009a0da80e877-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Wookbong and Ross,

 

Thanks for the comment and clarification, indeed I was debating this issue myself but I think the pilot issue we SP is not part of this motion group so thought we could fix it later.

 

If we want to be super accurate can write it:

 

802.11be reuses 802.11ax tone plan for 20/40/80/160/80+80 MHz PPDU and, with the exception of pilot locations, for 80/160/80+80 in non-OFDMA PPDU

 

Thanks,

Ron

 

 

 

From: Wook Bong Lee [mailto:wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 8:45 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

Thanks Ross.

 

If it is clear, then it should be fine.

 

BTW, thanks for this.

 

Best regards,

Wook Bong Lee

 

From: Yujian (Ross Yu) [mailto:ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:30 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

I had similar question before. It depends if pilot location is part of tone plan.

 

In 11ax, Table 27-8 and the figure itself don’t differentiate data and pilot subcarriers.

 

Section 27.3.12.13 Pilot subcarriers further clarifies.

 

regards

于健 Ross Yu

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Wook Bong Lee [mailto:wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 2020年6月10日 11:23
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

Hi Ron,

 

Are we reusing 11ax tone plan for 80MHz/160MHz/80+80MHz non-OFDMA PPDU?

Aren’t pilot locations different?

 

Best regards,

Wook Bong Lee

 

From: Ron Porat [mailto:000009a0da80e877-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:49 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

Hi Ross,

 

Thanks for pointing out, agree.  

The TBD subbullet can indeed be removed.

The three old motions below can be amended later e.g.

 

 

802.11be reuses 802.11ax tone plan for 20/40/80/160/80+80 MHz PPDU and for 80/160/80+80 in non-OFDMA PPDU

 

For 320 MHz and 160+160 MHz PPDU, 802.11be uses duplicated HE EHT 160 for OFDMA tone plan.

[Motion 33, [3] and [6]]

 

802.11be 240/160+80 MHz transmission consists of 3x80 MHz segments while the tone plan of each 80 MHz segment is the same as HE80 in 802.11ax.

[Motion 35, [3] and [6]]

 

The 802.11be 320/160+160 MHz non-OFDMA tone plan uses duplicated tone plan of HE EHT 160.

NOTE – Puncturing design TBD.

[Motion 34, [3] and [6]]

 

Thanks,

Ron

 

 

 

From: Yujian (Ross Yu) [mailto:ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 5:49 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

Hi all,

 

If SP#42 passed, some existing motions related with tone plan need to be changed accordingly. For example:

 

802.11be reuses 802.11ax tone plan for 20/40/80/160/80+80 MHz PPDU.

For 320 MHz and 160+160 MHz PPDU, 802.11be uses duplicated HE160 for OFDMA tone plan.

[Motion 33, [3] and [6]]

 

802.11be 240/160+80 MHz transmission consists of 3x80 MHz segments while the tone plan of each 80 MHz segment is the same as HE80 in 802.11ax.

[Motion 35, [3] and [6]]

 

The 802.11be 320/160+160 MHz non-OFDMA tone plan uses duplicated tone plan of HE160.

NOTE – Puncturing design TBD.

[Motion 34, [3] and [6]]

 

 

Straw poll #42

802.11be supports the following toneplan for 11be 80 MHz OFDMA.

·         80 MHz OFDMA = 40 MHz DUP, Table 27-8 in 11ax D6 right/left shifted by 256 tones.

·         Note

o   The 80MHz OFDMA design applies to any RU<996 for all modes of transmission, SU, DL MU, TB PPDU, with and without puncturing

o   Non-OFDMA full BW 80MHz segment uses 996RU design

o   Any punctured 80MHz segment uses the OFDMA tone plan

o   For each 80MHz segment in 160MHz, 240MHz or 320MHz:  if it is punctured or used for OFDMA the 80MHz OFDMA tone plan is used, if it’s used for non-OFDMA and non-punctured the 996RU tone plan is used [#SP42]

[20/0666r2 (80MHz OFDMA Tone Plan, Ron Porat, Broadcom), SP#1, Y/N/A: 44/1/5]

 

Also, some TBD will be no longer TBD:

A 160 MHz tone plan is duplicated for the non-OFDMA tone plan of 320/160+160 MHz PPDU.

·         The 160 MHz tone plan is TBD.

[Motion 18, [3] and [7]]

 

 

regards

于健 Ross Yu

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Alfred Asterjadhi [mailto:asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 2020年6月10日 7:08
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Candidate SFD text contributions for inclusion to TGbe SFD: Call for Review [REMINDER]

 

Hello all,

 

This is a gentle reminder that the deadline regarding this item is June 10th 2020 @10:00am ET. 

 

Best Regards,

 

Alfred

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:50 PM Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello all,

 

This is a gentle reminder on this call for review. Please see below.

 

Best Regards,

 

Alfred

 

 

Hello all,

 

Our TGbe Editor has prepared the Rev 26 of the compendium of SPs and potential changes to the SFD, which can be found below: 

 

This is a call for members to review the new SFD text contributions (which are highlighted in yellow  and identified by tags listed as [DCN (Presentation, Author, Affiliation), ...] SP#X, ...) in the compenidum of SPs document.

 

Please do send an e-mail in response to this Call For Review if you would like to identify any of these "new SFD text contributions" as contributions that need further discussion. The deadline for sending these e-mails is June 10th 2020 @10:00am ET.

 

A list of these requested contributions will be queued for discussion and run as a separate motion (Motions >=113) during the Joint conference call scheduled on June 11th 2020.

 

New SFD text contributions that have not received a request for further discussions will be part of the cumulative motion (Motion 112) that will be run at the same Joint conference call. 


Please refer to the document linked below for a list of the motions:

 

For more information please refer to the subclause "Guideline-Building Consensus and Populating the TGbe SFD" in the TGbe teleconference agendas: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/20/11-20-0735-15-00be-2020-mar-may-tgbe-teleconference-agendas.docx.

 

If you have any comments and/or questions please let me know.

 

Best Regards,

 

Alfred

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Alfred Asterjadhi, PhD

IEEE802.11 TGbe Chair,

Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

Cell #:    +1 858 263 9445

Office #: +1 858 658 5302


 

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IEEE802.11 TGbe Chair,

Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

Cell #:    +1 858 263 9445

Office #: +1 858 658 5302


 

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IEEE802.11 TGbe Chair,

Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

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