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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 992 - mandatory/optional for MLO



HI Laurent,

 

> “Capable of operating”. For instance, a single radio but capable of operating on 2-3 bands. That should be part of an MLD (single radio MLD).

 

I was looking for the clarification of it being single radio. Other answers clarified it. I am good with it. Do you think it makes sense to sneak in that word somewhere?

 

My fear was that we were going to disallow single-radio cases. As you do not propose it, then I am good with it.

 

Thanks.

Regards,

srini

 

From: Cariou, Laurent [mailto:laurent.cariou@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 12:17 PM
To: Srinivas Kandala <srini.k1@xxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 992 - mandatory/optional for MLO

 

To VK:

I think the yellow part is still needed to capture what Brian was mentioning.

If the physical device is an AP box that has 2 APs on 2 bands/links, but each of these APs can only operate on their configured link, then each of these EHT AP will not be capable of operating on the other link, while you want to make sure that we capture that each of those APs will be part of the MLD.

 

 

To Srini:

“Capable of operating”. For instance, a single radio but capable of operating on 2-3 bands. That should be part of an MLD (single radio MLD).

Can you please clarify what you mean by limitation here? Not sure I follow. This is just mandatory/optional discussion.

 

 

To Jarkko:

If a STA is not part of an MLD, it will operate with a single AP.

We are thinking that all EHT STAs shall be part of MLD, because even if the MLD is made of a single STA, all MLD functionalities that would need to be supported would fall down to baseline (Multi-link setup becomes association, ..) but I got some feedback that people would want more discussions on that. So for now, we just try and validate the cases that are obvious (more than one link).

 

 

 

From: Srinivas Kandala <srini.k1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 12:01 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 992 - mandatory/optional for MLO

 

HI Laurent,

 

    An EHT STA within a physical device capable of operating as an EHT STA in at least 2 bands (or 2 channels within one band) shall be part of an MLD

 

Concurrently operating or just capable of operating?

 

I am not sure if we really need this SP or even limit in anyway. There could be some interesting scenarios that may pan out in the future and we don’t want to short circuit them so early in the process.

 

Regards,

srini

 

From: Cariou, Laurent [mailto:laurent.cariou@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 11:03 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 992 - mandatory/optional for MLO

 

Thanks all,

See some responses:

To VK:

I think the following would work

    An EHT STA within a physical device capable of operating as an EHT STA in at least 2 bands (or 2 channels within one band) shall be part of an MLD

 

To Sai:

Link refers to the channel and the 2 peers (STA and AP) so not sure it’s fully accurate, but we can use link if the group prefers. In that case that would become

    An EHT STA within a device capable of operating as an EHT STA in at least 2 links (which are in 2 bands or 2 channels within one band) shall be part of an MLD

 

To Jay:

The intention here is just to mention that all those devices will be MLD and therefore will support MLD functionalities that we define. Obviously the MLD functionalities will depend on the capabilities of the devices themselves (single radio, dual radio, STR, non-STR, …). You have to compare pre-EHT devices and EHT devices with same capabilities (single radio, dual radio, …), in that case the difference for EHT devices is that they’ll support the MLD functionalities that pre-EHT device don’t. Hope it’s clearer.

 

To Chunyu:

We can use link if the group prefers.

What we add here is a mandate for all devices that meet the conditions. Obviously, if the STA wants to be dual radio, and benefit from MLD functionalities, it will need to be supporting MLD.

 

To Pooya:

I’ll add that note to SP#2.

 

To Patrice:

Obviously, every STA affiliated with an MLD is a STA that operate with the corresponding AP with baseline rules. So EDCA is surely supported by all STAs and we don’t really need to mention that. Now for specific MLD devices, especially dual radio devices that are non-STR, in addition to baseline channel access of each STAs, we are discussing different channel access mechanisms to improve operation (for aggregation). But this is not part of the MLO basic framework, as this is dependent on the MLD capabilities.

 

Thanks

Laurent

 

 

 

From: NEZOU Patrice <Patrice.Nezou@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:31 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 992 - mandatory/optional for MLO

 

Hi Laurent,

 

Thanks for initiating discussion about mandatory features related to MLO features.

 

I have a question related to slide 3 and SP#2. I agree with you about the list of sub features. But I think that the medium access procedure has to be defined for the MLO. At least, a discussion must conclude on how a multi-link transmission is initiated. If the conclusion is that standardized EDCA mechanism is used on each link, I am afraid that a multi-link transmission can never be started or the efficiency will be very low.

 

So for me, the medium access subject is a key point for the MLO.

 

Regards.

 

Patrice

 

From: Cariou, Laurent <laurent.cariou@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: mercredi 19 août 2020 20:38
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 992 - mandatory/optional for MLO

 

Hi all,

Starting a thread for Q/A on doc 992 as we ran out of time.

Feel free to ask your questions there, and refer to the SP# to which the question applies.

 

Just posted below for reference the versions of SPs for SP1 discussed this morning:

    Original SP

    An EHT STA that is capable of operating in at least 2 bands shall be part of an MLD

    Modified SP (Brian’s suggestion):

    An EHT STA within a device capable of operating in at least 2 bands (or 2 channels within one band) shall be part of an MLD

    Suggestion from Yong:

    An EHT STA shall be part of an MLD?

 

Thanks,

Laurent


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