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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT for Effect of CH_BANDWIDTH parameter on PPDU format



Hi, Yujin.

 

Thank you for https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0157-02-00be-pdt-effect-of-ch-bandwidth-parameter-on-ppdu-format.docx.

 

While I understand the document has passed SP last week, I find the portions related to non-HT duplicate transmission difficult to understand.

For example, Table 36-x2 is purely about transmitting non-HT duplicate PPDUs, but it talks about “non-OFDMA” and “OFDMA” cases.  But non-HT duplicate PPDUs have no concept of non-OFDMA and OFDMA.

 

I suggest to

  • Delete Table 36-x2 and relevant texts
  • Put non-HT duplicate related information in Table 36-x1

 

Attached document is one such implementation.

 

Thanks.

Youhan

 

 

From: Yujin Noh <Yujin.Noh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT for Effect of CH_BANDWIDTH parameter on PPDU format

 

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Hi Lei,

 

Thank you for your comment.

 

In the uploaded version on the server, it’s been fixed as below.

I hope it could be able to reflect your intention (nonpunctured or punctured) as well.

 

 

Regards,

Yujin

 

From: HUANG LEI huang.lei1@xxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:27 PM
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Hi Yujin,

 

Thanks. Attached please find my comments.

 

Best regards,

Lei

 

From: Yujin Noh <Yujin.Noh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 2:47 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT for Effect of CH_BANDWIDTH parameter on PPDU format

 

Hi Alice and all,

 

Please find the updated version.

  • Added B3-B6 of U-SIG2 to make it clear for the OFDMA case.
  • remove nonpuctured cases for CBW80/160/320 from the table.

 

If you have comments or concerns, please let me know.

 

Regards,

Yujin

 

From: Yujin Noh <Yujin.Noh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 2:36 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT for Effect of CH_BANDWIDTH parameter on PPDU format

 

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Hi Alice,

 

That’s a good point.

I will update it based on your two comments.

 

Regards,

Yujin

 

From: Alice Jialing Li <jialing.li.phd2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 2:32 PM
To: Yujin Noh <Yujin.Noh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: TGBE <STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT for Effect of CH_BANDWIDTH parameter on PPDU format

 

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Hi Yujin,

 

Two comments to Table 36-x2 in the PDT:

1. For the OFDMA case, do you need to refer to the 4-bit bitmap (B3-B6 of U-SIG-1) to be more specific?

 

2. Is there a need to split each CBW into the nonpunctured case and punctured case? Note that the non-OFDMA case includes the nonpunctured pattern. In the next spec draft which will incorporate resolved CIDs in the U-SIG subclause, the pattern '1111' would be added to the OFDMA case as well. So, the nonpunctured case is just a special case to the general _expression_ of the punctured pattern.

 

Best regards,

Alice Chen

Qualcomm

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:40 PM Yujin Noh <Yujin.Noh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all,

 

Attached please find the PDT for Effect of CH_BANDWIDTH parameter on PPDU format.

 

Based on the discussion last teleconference call, all the puncturing patterns for both non-OFDMA and OFDMA are included in INACTIVE_SUBCHANNELS parameter.

With this PDT to be approved, then one CID linked to this document would be ready.

 

Let me know if you have any comments and questions.

 

Regards,

Yujin


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