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Hi Solomon, Thanks for considering my comments on 132r1/1322r1. Please find some additional discussion below. I’d appreciate if you could let TGbf know if/when a new revision of the documents is uploaded. Once again, thank you. Claudio From: Solomon Trainin <strainin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hi Claudio Thank you for your comments Please see my proposals below Best regards, Solomon Trainin +972547885738 From: Claudio Da Silva <000015f3cbee3aeb-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Solomon, Please find a few technical comments on your contributions 1321r1 and 1322r1 below. I would appreciate if you could consider them. Thanks, Claudio My understanding of 1321 and 1322 is that the following changes are being proposed:
If my understanding is correct, I would encourage you to modify the text of the SP found in 1321 to clarify the scope of the proposed changes (redefinition + addition).
[ST] Your understanding of the change is correct. Please note that the SP in document 1321 is devoted to the change of the outline. There are two more SPs in 1322. Do they cover both meanings of the proposed
changes? [CdS] If your goal is to run a SP on the text in 1321 and then both a SP and motion on 1322, I believe we would be OK given that the
scope of the changes is clearly defined in 1322. The proposed “WLAN sensing procedure” incorporates both TB and non-TB approaches. While both approaches have been discussed in TGbf in the past, only the TB approach has been approved by the group so far (motion 25c). Thus, it is important
to call the group’s attention to the fact that a consequence of approving the changes suggested in 1322r1 would be to define a non-TB approach. [ST] I am not sure I agree that having it in the outline invites people to define the non-TB approach. Although there is no motion to adopt the non-TB approach yet, contributions 990 and 1015 already discuss this approach. I think
including it in the outline indicates place and order that the definition of the non-TB approach may require if someone thinks to provide it. [CdS] The intent of my comment was to make it clear to the group that, in addition to fixing technical discrepancies, 1321/1322 also
add new concepts to be introduced in the SFD. After today’s (Tuesday’s) discussion on 1322, I believe this fact is now clear. The WLAN sensing procedure defined in 1321 is composed of a number of “elements”/”phases” (slide 5), many of which haven’t been discussed in TGbf yet. As a result, several sub-sections proposed to be included in the SFD in 1322 are understandably
empty. At the same time, 1322 includes text for both “WLAN sensing measurement setup termination” and ”WLAN sensing session termination phase.” This topic (termination) is not discussed in 1321 nor in any previous contribution to TGbf. Could you discuss
the proposed addition in 1321 (or in a future contribution)? [ST] The “Termination phase” already exists in 504. Slide 6 in 1321 illustrates both new proposed terminations. 1322 suggests changes aligned with the overall approach presented in 1321. [CdS] We had a good number of questions in today’s 11bf call on this exact topic. I guess this proves the point I tried to previously
make. Personally, I would leave these additions to a future contribution. So that 1321 and 1322 match, “WLAN sensing termination” (defined in 1322) must be defined to include/be composed of “WLAN sensing measurement setup termination” and “WLAN sensing session termination” (defined in 1321). (This is similar
to what is proposed for the setup: “The WLAN sensing procedure setup includes the WLAN sensing session setup and the WLAN sensing measurement setup as defined below (7.1.2, 7.1.3)”.) [ST] It is fine with me. Do you agree to change the sentence in 1322r1 like ”
WLAN sensing termination includes the sensing session termination and the measurement setup
termination [CdS] Now we have a total of 3 setup-related and 3 termination-related definitions:
To simplify the text and avoid confusion, I would prefer to not define “WLAN sensing procedure setup” and “WLAN sensing termination.”
We could, for example, modify the proposed text as follows: A sensing procedure is composed of one or more of the following:
If this doesn’t work, I’m OK with your suggestion above. On page 2 of 1322, we have “A sensing session is (a) pairwise agreement between a sensing initiator and a sensing responder to participate in the WLAN sensing procedure.” Given that the text defines that “a sensing session is … agreement
between a sensing initiator and a sensing responder…”, is the word “pairwise” necessary here? (Please note that “pairwise” is defined in 802.11-202, page 167, as a term “used to refer to a type of encryption key hierarchy pertaining to keys shared by only
two entities.”) It may be worth to modify “A sensing session is pairwise and is identified by MAC addresses and/or associated AID/UID” as well (delete “is pairwise and” is OK given that this is already defined in the previous statement). [ST] Would it be OK with you the following that moves one more sentence to the definition? A sensing session is an [CdS] After I found out that pairwise is defined in 802.11-2020 (see screen caption below), and that the term relates to “a type of
encryption key hierarchy”, I would avoid using the term altogether. At least for me, “agreement between a sensing initiator and a sensing responder” makes it very clear that sensing session is “pairwise.” In 1322, the text “NDP can be used for the channel measurement (e.g. CSI)…” is suggested to be moved under “NDPA sounding phase.” Should it also be added to “TF sounding phase”?
[ST] Yes, I agree it is relevant for both, and I am OK to add it to the “ TF sounding phase” [CdS] Yes, I think we should. In 1322, the sentence “A sensing session may be comprised of multiple burst instances” is suggested to be replaced with “A WLAN sensing measurement instance may be comprised of multiple phases”. Is this the intent of the original SFD text? [ST] Neither burst nor burst instance is defined. I hope that I fairly interpret the intention of the author. I expect to get more inputs while presenting. [CdS] This was also discussed in today’s meeting. I trust you will work with Dongguk on it. To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBF list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-TGBF&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBF list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-TGBF&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBF list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-TGBF&A=1 |