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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded



Correct the way it’s written is not informative. However we can change it to

 

NOTE: If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, multiple sequential trigger frames can be transmitted within the acquired TXOP.

 

Ali

 

From: Benjamin Rolfe <outlook_2CB8745B51AA14EB@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Benjamin Rolfe
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 4:52 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

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FWIW...the statement in red contains "may" which makes it normative, not information. So it would be incorrect to be in a note. As is, it is stating a permissible behavior, allowing multiple trigger frames to be sent during a TXOP.

Ben

 


From: Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 2:43 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hi Chris, I believe that is an ‘obvious’ statement, however I would be okay adding it as a NOTE since it is informative.

 

Ali

 

From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:38 PM
To: Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

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Hi Ali,

 

Yes, I do agree that both SU and MU operations may be exploited in any order.

What are your thoughts on adding the more generic statement shown in red below?

 

The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one or more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement instance to solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s). The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth. If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, multiple sequential trigger frames may be transmitted within the acquired TXOP.  Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame. 

 

Thanks and regards,

-Chris

 

From: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Ali Raissinia
Sent: February 16, 2022 11:04 AM
To: Chris Beg <
chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hi Chris,

 

In my opinion as long as AP is able to transmit multiple sensing Trigger Sounding frames during  the ‘TF sounding phase’, it can exploit it to be for SU and/or MU UL operation in any order (SU, SU….   SU, MU…   MU,MU….. MU,SU…  ,etc.). MU cascading is undefined and perhaps not necessary.  What do you think?

 

Regards,

Ali

 

 

From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 6:55 AM
To:
STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

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Hi Cheng,

 

Thanks for putting all this material together. 

 

I do have one suggested addition to the second paragraph in section 11.1.4.2.3 (TF Sounding Phase), that I would like to propose to everybody.

 

My suggestion is to highlight the potential usage of a MU cascading sequence, in the event there are more available STAs than UL resources.

What is everyone’s thoughts on adding the following red text into the paragraph below?

 

The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one ore more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement instance to solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s). The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth. If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, a MU cascading sequence may be used within the acquired TXOP.  Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame. 

 

Thanks and regards,

-Chris

 

From: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Chen, Cheng
Sent: February 15, 2022 4:18 PM
To:
stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hello all,

 

Revisions for the PDT text documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were uploaded based on the feedback/comments received both at the TGbf calls and from offline emails. Let me know if you have any questions or comments.

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0172-03-00bf-pdt-sensing-measurement-instance-general.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-03-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0174-02-00bf-pdt-non-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

 

Best,

Cheng

 

From: Chen, Cheng
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 1:19 PM
To:
stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hello all,

 

The baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were already uploaded, which can be found through:

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0172-01-00bf-pdt-sensing-measurement-instance-general.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-01-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0174-00-00bf-pdt-non-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

 

Best,

Cheng

 


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From: Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 2:43 PM
To:
STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hi Chris, I believe that is an ‘obvious’ statement, however I would be okay adding it as a NOTE since it is informative.

 

Ali

 

From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:38 PM
To: Ali Raissinia <
alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

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Hi Ali,

 

Yes, I do agree that both SU and MU operations may be exploited in any order.

What are your thoughts on adding the more generic statement shown in red below?

 

The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one or more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement instance to solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s). The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth. If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, multiple sequential trigger frames may be transmitted within the acquired TXOP.  Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame. 

 

Thanks and regards,

-Chris

 

From: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Ali Raissinia
Sent: February 16, 2022 11:04 AM
To: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hi Chris,

 

In my opinion as long as AP is able to transmit multiple sensing Trigger Sounding frames during  the ‘TF sounding phase’, it can exploit it to be for SU and/or MU UL operation in any order (SU, SU….   SU, MU…   MU,MU….. MU,SU…  ,etc.). MU cascading is undefined and perhaps not necessary.  What do you think?

 

Regards,

Ali

 

 

From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 6:55 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

WARNING: This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros.

Hi Cheng,

 

Thanks for putting all this material together. 

 

I do have one suggested addition to the second paragraph in section 11.1.4.2.3 (TF Sounding Phase), that I would like to propose to everybody.

 

My suggestion is to highlight the potential usage of a MU cascading sequence, in the event there are more available STAs than UL resources.

What is everyone’s thoughts on adding the following red text into the paragraph below?

 

The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one ore more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement instance to solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s). The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth. If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, a MU cascading sequence may be used within the acquired TXOP.  Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame. 

 

Thanks and regards,

-Chris

 

From: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Chen, Cheng
Sent: February 15, 2022 4:18 PM
To: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hello all,

 

Revisions for the PDT text documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were uploaded based on the feedback/comments received both at the TGbf calls and from offline emails. Let me know if you have any questions or comments.

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0172-03-00bf-pdt-sensing-measurement-instance-general.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-03-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0174-02-00bf-pdt-non-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

 

Best,

Cheng

 

From: Chen, Cheng
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 1:19 PM
To: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, 11 uploaded

 

Hello all,

 

The baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were already uploaded, which can be found through:

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0172-01-00bf-pdt-sensing-measurement-instance-general.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-01-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0174-00-00bf-pdt-non-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx

 

Best,

Cheng

 


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