Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Discussion for the example of TB sensing measrure

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Yes, in that case I support Dongguk’s proposal.

Best Regards,

Rajat.

From: Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: RE: Discussion for the example of TB sensing measrurement instance

Correct, for instance we could indicate the sequence includes 6 responders. Scenario 1, responder x is not assigned to be polled but intends to be TX and RX role and as such only Polling phase is absent, similarly scenario 2, responder is x is only TX and so forth…

Ali

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Ali,

To understand you better, you mean to keep Dongguk’s figure and add sensing responder’s roles to explain which phase it would support?

For example, if a sensing responder is a sensing receiver it can only support NDPA sounding phase and for a sensing responder which is a sensing transmitter it would support TF sounding phase?

Best Regards,

Rajat.

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Discussion for the example of TB sensing measrurement instance

I tend to support Dongguk’s new approach by replacing the exiting diagrams and come up with one with list scenarios (for different devices) to highlight which phase(s) would be absent. It is much simpler and less confusing as to the TB sequence and the order in which they would appear (if present).

This would be convey the same thing that is currently showing in the current diagrams.

Regards,

Ali

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Hi Dongguk,

I like Figure 11-41c as it is depicted currently in D0.2. It shows different combinations of TB MI, (it is ok if it may not be exhaustive). Replacing it with just a simple one that you suggested will make it difficult for someone, who reads the spec for the first time, to visualize different signaling combinations. Looking at this figure one immediately gets the idea that a TB MI can have many different types of signaling. So, I suggest that we keep those combinations currently in the draft and work to remove ambiguity. Some combination may not be correct. For example, if/when we decide the order of TF and NDPA sounding, either example 3 or 4 would become wrong. Also, I am confused about example 5, but we can correct/clarify example 5. In summary, I would urge not to get rid of those different cases of TB MI, but rather work on making it clear or unambiguous.

thanks and regards

-Anirud

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Subject: Discussion for the example of TB sensing measrurement instance

Hi All,

I hope you are being well.

When I presented the DCN 22/1330r0 in the previous 11bf CC, we have a lot of discussion regarding the examples of TB sensing measurement instances described in figure 11-41c.

To illustrate the various examples for the TB sensing measurement instance, we considered showing some considered examples of the TB sensing measurement instance.

However, as you felt in during the previous CC, due to various examples described in figure 11-41c, it occurred a misunderstanding and ambiguity in the configuration of the TB sensing measurement instance.

Since it is just an example to explain the TB sensing measurement, I think that we can simply the figure 11-41c with a figure which includes only one example as below to avoid misunderstanding and ambiguities.

Figure 11-41c Example of a TB sensing measruement instance

Also, regarding this figure, we can consider the modification of figure 11-41d, for the explanation of the operation for the STAs participating in this TB sensing measurement instance.

After the discussion for the change, if we determine to change figure 11-41 with the suggested one, I will also provide the modification of figure 11-41d regarding the description together.

In addition, even though the figure(11-41c) is modified as including only one example, we can have more time to discuss the issues related to the TB sensing measurement instance, for example, the order of each phase, configuration, etc.

I would like to hear your opinions on the suggested change regarding figures 11-41.

Please feel free to give your opinions..

Best regards,

Dongguk.

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