Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] Parental control examples

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Thank you both for this fast turnaround, I uploaded r1.

Modified slide 11 to add "easy to circumvent". I did not add links to methods to circumvent, as I am not sure that we want to support/promote/point to any technique on this side, but I'll definitely mention a few of them tomorrow.

I added Dan's suggestion for wording on slide 12 in the notes. For now, the text is verbatim what was in the TIG text we work from, there is definitely space for better wording, but is seems prudent to start from the previously approved text to check if the use case still makes sense (then possibly reword if the answer is 'yes but...')

Jerome

---- On Mon, 10 May 2021 16:20:00 -0400 Mark Hamilton <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx> wrote ----

Hi, Dan,

It seems like one of these questions is really for me to answer:
this seems like a feature request from a product group—"we need a way to offer parental controls that is not easy to circumvent". Is this what TGbh is for?

From my read of Jerome’s deck, it seems that the answer to this question depends on the observation on slide 11 (“app-based” versus “MAC-based” partental control), and by implication perhaps on the results of the Straw Poll on slide 12. So, I intend to withhold an opinion on how/whether we pursue this scenario in TGbh, until we have that discussion.

By the way, I liked your suggestion about searching “how to bypass parental controls”. That was indeed pretty interesting. I personally think it adds some color to the “app-based” versus “MAC-based” topic, as well.

Mark

From: Harkins, Daniel <daniel.harkins@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:42 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] Parental control examples

Hi Jerome,

A few comments on your slide deck.

   - on slide 11 I think an additional con to MAC-based network access is "easy to circumvent".
- last sentence of slide 12 makes a statement that may be contentious, unnecessarily so. Suggest change:
"~~Parental control offered in~~ Many 802.11 routers ~~is usually~~ provide capabilities to restrict network access based on the MAC address of the device"
   - this seems like a feature request from a product group—"we need a way to offer parental controls that is not easy to circumvent". Is this what TGbh is for?
   - you might want to include some links on how parental controls are circumvented. A simple search ("how to bypass parental controls") was revealing.

regards,

Dan.

--
"the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." – Marcus Aurelius

On 5/10/21, 8:36 AM, "Mark Hamilton" <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Excellent! Thank you. I will add to the agenda.

Mark

From: Jerome Henry (jerhenry) <jerhenry@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 8:27 AM
To: mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: stds-802-11-TGbh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Parental control examples

Good morning Mark,
In our last 802.11bh call, we were wondering about parental controls using MAC addresses. We prepared a short presentation (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0804-00-00bh-rcm-parental-control-examples.pptx) that summarizes our investigation in the existence ‘in the wild’ of this feature., If it is agreeable to the group, we would request to present our observations in one of the upcoming meetings.

Thank you

Jerome

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