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Graham, I understand your point about “two opaques”. I never thought of that as a term that means the one in Annex Z, though. I’ve heard a couple similar comments on calls about this Annex, and it confuses me. Note that the Annex is explicitly an “Example opaque identifer”. This is one (example) scheme for generating an opaque identifier. It could just as easily be an “Example NGID”, as our example for generating NGIDs. However, (and back to your point about “two opaques”) it does also have an additional attribute that the ID this scheme generates is protected/opaque, even if the ID is passed off to a third party. To me, that is an interesting additional attribute, but has nothing to do with (or is an unrelated addition to) the “Device ID” being opaque (to third parties) due to the way we implement our protocol exchanges. But, perhaps I am alone in this way of thinking? Mark From: G Smith <gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Understood (I re-read the email exchange) but we can’t have two “opaques”. The ID itself need not be opaque and the “opaque” version, as per the Annex, is specific. Encrypted is not “opaque” in my opinion. I liked the original name “network generated ID”, NGID. Anyhow see what others think, but I agree that “Device ID” needs to be changed. Graham From: mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx> Graham, This was discussed a bit on the reflector with Antonio (see emails on July 27). I think we have agreement that it must be opaque to third parties. So, it seems to be a question about “opaque in what context?”, and what does the group think about the best phrase that captures the answer to that question. Other comments/thoughts? Mark From: G Smith <gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I was under the impression that the “opaque” bit is optional. Hence I don’t think I could support this. Maybe “PSI” for “Persistent Identifier” or “PSID” or “PID”? Graham From: Mark Hamilton <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx> All, Antonio has proposed on the reflector (and I failed to bring up for discussion on today’s call), the following as resolution to CIDs 12 and 58 (and I think CID 25): Replace “Device ID”, “opaque identifier”, “identifier”, etc. (all the various phrases we currently have for this concept) with:
Note: Detailed and specific changes to be made to the draft will need to be provided. Please respond if there are concerns with this direction. I will formulate a motion for our August 30 teleconference in this direction, unless there is concern. Mark To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBH list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-TGBH&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBH list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-TGBH&A=1 |