Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] Agenda uploaded

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“The network can optionally construct an opaque identifier … “.

Sorry, but I see far too many instances of passive voice in these standards, and often they only obscure what is really intended. Rearranging a sentence into active voice usually simplifies it and makes it easier to read what is actually intended. It’s one of my little OCD triggers, so just HAD to respond. I couldn’t resist. Please accept my apologies.

However, this does expose another issue that exists in all three examples. This implies that the “network” is sentient and can make its own choices amongst several options. In some limited senses sometimes this may be true, depending on how one defines what the network actually is. But in general I think what we really mean is that there is some agent in the network that can optionally construct an opaque identifier. We should define and refer to that network agent, rather than the network itself.

Best regards. -- Ed Reuss

On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:36 PM, Harkins, Dan <daniel.harkins@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jay,

   "opaque" is not a verb, it's an adjective. I think this sentence is better:

"An opaque identifier can optionally be constructed by the network using the procedure in

Annex Z or can employ a different mechanism provided it affords comparable security and privacy."

and if people are getting hung up on the word opaque we can add a definition of it for the terms portion of the amendment.

regards,

Dan.

--

"the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." – Marcus Aurelius

On 4/10/23, 6:21 PM, "Zhijie Yang (NSB)" <zhijie.yang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Mark,

For CID35, I like what the commenters suggested sentence, and thus we can add one Note to say:

Note1: An device ID shall be constructed by the network, e.g., the example procedure in Annex Z, in which the device ID is opaqued over the air to the 3^rd party.

Thanks

Best Regards

Jay Yang

From: Mark Hamilton <mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 2023年4月11日 6:55
To: STDS-802-11-TGBH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] Agenda uploaded - plans for call

All,

Just a note that I have uploaded my proposed agenda for the TGbh call Tuesday morning (U.S. time): 11-23/0621r0. My general plan/approach is:

-          Review the latest updates to the IRM proposal that we’ve been discussing, and see if we agree the requested updates are done and we can reach consensus on this way forward.

-          Review the proposal from Okan on PASN (with Device ID). Is there consensus to add this material? (I believe that between Graham’s IRM updates for PASN, and/or this proposal for PASN, we now cover CIDs 19 and 20.)

-          Review/discuss my suggestions for CID 35. ( @Dan Harkins and @Amelia Anna Matilda Katarina Andersdotter, if you can be on the call to help us conclude on these, it would be helpful, thanks!)

-          Based on the outcome of the above, give instructions to produce the updated comment resolutions list that we can motion next week.

I am hopeful that the above discussions can reach consensus on the call, and our motion next week will be able to close off all the open comments, and Carol can get going on an updated draft.

If anyone has concerns with the resolutions above, please prepare your thoughts for a discussion tomorrow that will get us to a conclusion.

Thanks. Mark

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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] Agenda uploaded - plans for call