On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 4:19 PM Gaurav Patwardhan <gauravpatwardhan1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Minyoung,I agree with Mohamed. 'the access delay distribtion tail' term is a much better fit than 'tail access delay'.Regards,GauravOn Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 2:33 PM Mohamed Abouelseoud <mohamed.a.abouelseoud@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:One more comment on "tail access delay “. It is better to change it to "the access delay distribution tail”. Tamil access delay is meaninglessThanks,MohamedOn Jan 9, 2025, at 12:24 PM, Akhmetov, Dmitry <Dmitry.Akhmetov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Yongho, Minyoung, MarkFollowing your comments I produced version r2 which is on the server now. Thank you for your workDmitryFrom: Yongho Seok <yongho.seok@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT-MAC P-EDCAHi Dmitry,Could you elaborate on why you changed "the tail access delay" to "the worst-case access delay"?The tail access delay is a statistical term used to describe delays that occur in a small percentage of cases (e.g., the percentile of delays). The worst-case access delay refers to the maximum possible delay in a given system—the absolute upper bound—considering all potential conditions (e.g., collisions, contention, and backoff mechanisms). I believe that P-EDCA does not improve the worst-case access delay. In your previous simulation, you also indicated an improvement in tail latency (e.g., 95th percentile). I prefer to use the same wording (tail access delay) used in the past motion.Also, regarding "Editor’s Note: The use of P-EDCA by an UHR STA is expected to have balanced impact on STAs that do not use P-EDCA.",I believe the passed motion (the impact on legacy device has to be balance) is a requirement of the P-EDCA, not an Editor's note. I suggest that you provide the appropriate specification text instead of the Editor's note.Thanks,YonghoHi Mark, Minyoung, MohamedThanks a lot for your comments.How about:Editor’s note: “The use of P-EDCA by an UHR STA should balance the impact on STAs that do not use P-EDCA through TBD rules”This a) will assure members that rules will be provided and b) the sentence will disappear after thatDmitry.From: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT-MAC P-EDCAI agree there should be rules. We need to add such rules to the PDT.Saying that we "should" (or "expect to", or any other statements ofintent rather than of action) do a good job is useless and does notbelong to spec text (I'm fine with it being an Editor's note so wedon't forget to do our job).Thanks,Mark--Mark RISON, Standards Architect, WLAN English/Esperanto/FrançaisSamsung Cambridge Solution Centre Tel: +44 1223 4346001 Cambridge Square, Cambridge CB4 0AE Fax: +44 1223 434601ROYAUME UNI WWW: http://www.samsung.com/ukFrom: Mohamed Abouelseoud <mohamed.a.abouelseoud@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT-MAC P-EDCA@Mark, there should be some rules, TBD (for example on who and how often to use the P-EDCA and for how long), to recommend implementation requirements to limit the effect on the legacy. Maybe we can keep should and add "through TBD rules"
"should" is used to introduce a recommendation on implementations.Exactly what recommendation are you proposing here, Mohamed?I have the following comments on r1:- "EDCA channel access protocol" -- the CA in EDCA is channel access,so we have enhanced distributed channel access channel access protocol.And I'm not sure it's a protocol anyway ("channel access protocol" and"EDCA protocol" do not appear in me/D7.0). What was wrong with"EDCA mechanism" (which appears more than 20 times in me/D7.0)?- "worst case" should be "worst-case"- "reduces worst case access delay" is missing "the"- "an UHR" should be "a UHR"Thanks,Mark--Mark RISON, Standards Architect, WLAN English/Esperanto/FrançaisSamsung Cambridge Solution Centre Tel: +44 1223 4346001 Cambridge Square, Cambridge CB4 0AE Fax: +44 1223 434601ROYAUME UNI WWW: http://www.samsung.com/ukFrom: Mohamed Abouelseoud <mohamed.a.abouelseoud@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 19 December 2024 15:43
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] PDT-MAC P-EDCAHi Dmitry,Thanks for working on the PDT and for the update.I think that the sentence about the effect on legacy approved in the motion is better than the one currently updated. I am not sure what is expected to means., “Should" is the common word we use for expected behavior. Also, I would keep it with the description text not move it to an editor note!Thanks,Mohamed
Greetings all,Thank you for submitted comments.Revision 1 is now on mentor:Please use this thread to provide additional comments/suggestion you may have.Thank you,DmitryFrom: Akhmetov, Dmitry
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2024 10:07 AM
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Subject: PDT-MAC P-EDCAGreetings everyone,This is the thread to start discussion on the Prioritized EDCA , P-EDCA (formerly known as HiP EDCA) .The initial version of the proposed draft text document can be found here:DmitryTo unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBN list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-TGBN&A=1
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